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  • Bolt4Knob
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    • Dec 2019
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    Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

    Nice podcast. They will no doubt shop Joey AGAIN as they mentioned they did last year but he was realitiviy healthy this year compared to the last two years. A 4th and they probably trade him but ive no idea how it would work with his contract to another team. or us.
    If Bosa is on the roster - he will be taking a pay cut. There is no way he is worth $25m . I didn't understand why Popper or Money didn't think they would ask him for another pay cut.

    If he is traded - maybe the team will pay him $25m but more than likely, they would re-do his deal. IF someteam wants to pay Joey the $25m - I am sure the Chargers would accept about any trade deal

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    • Boltinloudguy
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      As far as WRs, I donโ€™t see them spending big for Higgins and or spending big for G Trey Smith. Hortiz will not be irresponsible when spending. With all the FAs on the Chargers alone, he will spend wisely and also be patient IMO. Iโ€™m all for signing a guy like Darius Slayton and trading a 4th or 5th for Alec Pierce. Drafting Loveland and signing G Becton. I think that would be a good start.

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      • Boltjolt
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        Originally posted by Bolt4Knob View Post

        If Bosa is on the roster - he will be taking a pay cut. There is no way he is worth $25m . I didn't understand why Popper or Money didn't think they would ask him for another pay cut.

        If he is traded - maybe the team will pay him $25m but more than likely, they would re-do his deal. IF someteam wants to pay Joey the $25m - I am sure the Chargers would accept about any trade deal
        Maybe this year but they didnt like the return they were offered last season while shopping him...and Popper said they did shop him.

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        • dmac_bolt
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          • May 2019
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          Originally posted by Boltinloudguy View Post
          As far as WRs, I donโ€™t see them spending big for Higgins and or spending big for G Trey Smith. Hortiz will not be irresponsible when spending. With all the FAs on the Chargers alone, he will spend wisely and also be patient IMO. Iโ€™m all for signing a guy like Darius Slayton and trading a 4th or 5th for Alec Pierce. Drafting Loveland and signing G Becton. I think that would be a good start.
          Is every team that has a high price WR or OL irresponsible? KC has 3 high paid OL. Many other teams do. Several playoff teams also have expensive WRs. KC is a bit of an outlier, actually

          Top WRs and top OL get paid what they get paid for a real reason, itโ€™s not just a bunch of stupid guys chucking suitcases of money out a helicopter so they can go WEEEEEEEE!
          Last edited by dmac_bolt; 02-01-2025, 09:54 AM.
          โ€œLess is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!โ€โ€‹

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          • Bolts4ever213
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            Stellar line play, is the way.

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            • Boltnut
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              Originally posted by 21&500 View Post


              good interview with Pops.
              Interesting things to me:

              1. Popper still seems irked that Alt was chosen over Nabers... see his sly smile when Money brings it up...
              2. Popper recognizes that paying high-priced players, who are often injured, (Bosa/MW) is not a good idea... yet doesn't bat an eye when talking about pursuing Tee Higgins @$25-30m (10 games missed last 2 seasons).
              3. Popper recognizes the downside of Bosa's contract structure (pushing money to back-end)... yet suggests they do exactly that with Slater's contract (re-sign). In the end, he suggests that because he wants to have enough money to sign Tee Higgins... SMH.
              4. He mentions taking a RB every draft... but doesn't mention that same strategy with WR every draft.

              I don't think he understands Harbaugh's philosophy or Hortiz's strategy. He's setting himself up for future frustration.
              IMO, Popper has a blind spot for elite WR's... and Harbaugh/Roman/Hortiz may not have that same focus/value there.
              Protect the QB
              Run the ball
              Play great defense

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              • wu-dai clan
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                Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

                Maybe this year but they didnt like the return they were offered last season while shopping him...and Popper said they did shop him.
                Unfortunately some are not willing to consider all factors. It's just pure Joey Bosa hatred.

                What about FUTURE ROI ?

                Healthy, Ben-trained Bosa opposite Mack is a winning idea.

                The same thing applies to Poona, and his just completed career year. Do not necessarily reward past good ROI !

                Pay for projected future ROI and impact, instead of past failed ROI.

                Pipkins is under contract and makes for a nice Swing Tackle too.

                "We have so many holes, remember ?"

                The Chargers in the Harbtiz era will not throw away working capital.

                Be wise. Save some space to cherrypick others future cap casualties.

                BTW a "bean counter" is not someone who is fiscally prudent. It is someone who overemphasizes economy to self detriment.

                Actual fresh football takes are welcome.



                JMO.
                Last edited by wu-dai clan; 02-01-2025, 11:34 AM.
                We play modern Harball.

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                • Eurobolt
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                  Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

                  Interesting things to me:

                  1. Popper still seems irked that Alt was chosen over Nabers... see his sly smile when Money brings it up...
                  2. Popper recognizes that paying high-priced players, who are often injured, (Bosa/MW) is not a good idea... yet doesn't bat an eye when talking about pursuing Tee Higgins @$25-30m (10 games missed last 2 seasons).
                  3. Popper recognizes the downside of Bosa's contract structure (pushing money to back-end)... yet suggests they do exactly that with Slater's contract (re-sign). In the end, he suggests that because he wants to have enough money to sign Tee Higgins... SMH.
                  4. He mentions taking a RB every draft... but doesn't mention that same strategy with WR every draft.

                  I don't think he understands Harbaugh's philosophy or Hortiz's strategy. He's setting himself up for future frustration.
                  IMO, Popper has a blind spot for elite WR's... and Harbaugh/Roman/Hortiz may not have that same focus/value there.
                  Popper lost insights with ne regime, I dare to say he is not the biggest fan of change.

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                  • Bolt4Knob
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                    Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

                    Interesting things to me:

                    1. Popper still seems irked that Alt was chosen over Nabers... see his sly smile when Money brings it up...
                    2. Popper recognizes that paying high-priced players, who are often injured, (Bosa/MW) is not a good idea... yet doesn't bat an eye when talking about pursuing Tee Higgins @$25-30m (10 games missed last 2 seasons).
                    3. Popper recognizes the downside of Bosa's contract structure (pushing money to back-end)... yet suggests they do exactly that with Slater's contract (re-sign). In the end, he suggests that because he wants to have enough money to sign Tee Higgins... SMH.
                    4. He mentions taking a RB every draft... but doesn't mention that same strategy with WR every draft.

                    I don't think he understands Harbaugh's philosophy or Hortiz's strategy. He's setting himself up for future frustration.
                    IMO, Popper has a blind spot for elite WR's... and Harbaugh/Roman/Hortiz may not have that same focus/value there.
                    There is a big difference between re-doing Slaters contract and pushing money compared to Bosa. Slater probably has a good 6-8 years left in the league so there is more time to push money until it truly becomes dead cap

                    If the Chargers are stupid enough to give Bosa a contract that pushes money - odds are, in a year or two, it will be dead money - like the $11m he already has this year

                    Popper mentioned the Danielle Hunter contract for Mack and I think that contract would be terrible. Two years, 49m of which like $48m is guaranteed - and the way it was structured, $13m in 2024, $24m in 2025 with three void years totallng another $12. If the Chargers did that with Mack - he is guaranteed to be on the roster next year, even if he is terrible this year and they would still have $12m of money to figure out. You do that kind of contract with Josh Sweat or somebody younger.

                    So depending on how much they are pushing on Bosa -- anything more than a few million would be stupid because he just isn't a full time starter anymore - Popper was right, need to get younger at Edge. And with Slater, again the Chargers don't need to push cap. The reason the Bucs pushed so much cap on Wirfs is they didn't have the cap space. The Chargers can afford Tee Higgins just by releasing Bosa and Pipkins.

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                    • sonorajim
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                      Pops is more fan than scout but his press access opens some doors. I like his takes whether or not I agree. I have more respect for Daniel Jeremiah's takes, his having been a pro scout.

                      Hortiz is more Oppenheimer. He and Harbaugh aren't saying anything that will give opposition the slightest edge. They're designing their bomb 2025 roster privately. We may see a little smoke occasionally.

                      Go Bolts!

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                      • dmac_bolt
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                        Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post

                        Unfortunately some are not willing to consider all factors. It's just pure Joey Bosa hatred.

                        What about FUTURE ROI ?

                        Healthy, Ben-trained Bosa opposite Mack is a winning idea.

                        The same thing applies to Poona, and his just completed career year. Do not necessarily reward past good ROI !

                        Pay for projected future ROI and impact, instead of past failed ROI.

                        Pipkins is under contract and makes for a nice Swing Tackle too.

                        "We have so many holes, remember ?"

                        The Chargers in the Harbtiz era will not throw away working capital.

                        Be wise. Save some space to cherrypick others future cap casualties.

                        BTW a "bean counter" is not someone who is fiscally prudent. It is someone who overemphasizes economy to self detriment.

                        Actual fresh football takes are welcome.



                        JMO.
                        Ben-trained Bosa played less than 40% of defensive snaps, and logged 22 total tackles and 5 sacks. That is nowhere near $26M value.
                        No second string backup OL player should be paid $6.5M, that is wasted opportunity cost to redeploy those resources more efficiently.

                        running the same script back will deliver the same tragic plotline.
                        โ€œLess is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!โ€โ€‹

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                        • jamrock
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                          Popper thinks the OG FA market is very deep. I expect we will see that group remade before the draft.

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