Greg Roman Chargers Offensive Coordinator

[Budsman]

Roman is a really good OC. Just look at the 1st have of the games we have played. That's coaching and game planning. The 2nd half showcases the glaring weakness of this team which is lack of talent. It's gotten better but they are not there yet.

That’s a really interesting way to look at it. Do offensive coaches not make adjustments at the half to account for defenses or do they just let it ride and hope the players outplay the opponent. If I remember correctly Norv Turner was a great OC because he made great halftime adjustments not because he scripted a good first half.

[Budsman]

Not at all. Ive said Roman wasnt my first choice and of all the coaching hires, he was my least favorite but he is who JH hired, has had success with him, went to playoffs and a SB with him so thats who we got. That guy complains even when we win. Even when every week we are scoring more and more, opening up the offense when Herbert felt better and cold move around.... he complains. If you cant see that then i dont know what to tell you.
I am just going with the fact they have won....a lot with each other. You may not the exciting playcalls but if they work, who the fuck cares! We need a couple more OL pieces , a WR and a TE....but its working better with what we have though we have been getting better.

This is the worst team we will have under Harbaugh and Hortiz. Im sure bayareaboltz will complain about Roman every year we are in the playoffs and even if we make a SB. Thats more than any other HC and OC we have had except for Boss Ross and whoever his OC was....i forget.

I know you said this is a 3 year build. Maybe you are right, though not sure the meaning of it. To make a SB or playoffs? Because we can make the playoffs this year and thats pretty good considering we sucked ass with Staley and his OC choices and......................Moore was suppose to be a innovative OC and he was terrible. Our OL was terrible, his playcalling was terrible but, ....we had a shit OL with Telescos god awful depth he always had for us.

Is funny how this place implodes when we lose a game lol, holy fuck!

Imho this is a three year rebuild to be a top tier contender. The NFL is too competitive to be sure of a Super Bowl victory but to be a part of the elite with a real chance to win it. That being said this year has gone better than I thought so who knows maybe it’s a two year rebuild. I didn’t expect the team to beat the teams we’re supposed to beat this early. They have a boat load of money and if they can just get Jeanty… I digress.

I don’t think the board falls apart after a loss but they fell apart after this loss because we all reaaaaally hoped that we could hang with the big dogs and this game proved we’re not there yet and while I think most people realized that was true we all hoped it wasn’t.

I will say that while I’m not impressed with Roman I am
impressed with Harbaugh. I’ll admit I wasn’t in on the Harbaugh signing but the guys winning me over as a human being and as a leader. The team will run through a wall for him and that’s big. I just wish he had someone who could maximize Herbert’s potential. I love the attention to the ground game but it just feels like Herbert is being fit to the offense and not the offense to Herbert.

[richpjr]

So both can’t be true at the same time? That’s an interesting argument. Do you think Roman is maximizing this offense? Do you think we have the weapons to beat great teams? I think you will come to the sane conclusion I laid out. Roman is not maximizing this offense and we do my have the weapons to compete at the highest level.

Sure both can be true. I'm just not ready to come to a conclusion about the maximizing part. I think we struggle against the better teams because we are so limited at WR, TE, our running game is very inconsistent so far and the interior of our oline seems to give up pressure at the worst possible time.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Sure both can be true. I'm just not ready to come to a conclusion about the maximizing part. I think we struggle against the better teams because we are so limited at WR, TE, our running game is very inconsistent so far and the interior of our oline seems to give up pressure at the worst possible time.

I think you are right. I critisized Roman a few games ago but the more I watch and think about it he deserves more time and patience. We cant really judge him in year 1 until the team upgrades the personel he is working with.

[dmac_bolt]

What was that Mike McCoy quote? Something like we're a good team you can tell by the first 3 quarters? We lack playmakers on offense but I disagree with the analysis.

Bingo! (Not exact, but exactly what he was saying). I disagree with the analysis that Greg is a great first quarter OC theory being posted here, I’m with you - same opponent, same opponent coaches, same field, same day - why are these better players all losing first halves and winning second halves? The horses theory doesn’t persuade me, its the same horses in both halves.

[Budsman]

Sure both can be true. I'm just not ready to come to a conclusion about the maximizing part. I think we struggle against the better teams because we are so limited at WR, TE, our running game is very inconsistent so far and the interior of our oline seems to give up pressure at the worst possible time.

I get it, I’m an early adopter of the “Greg Roman is a bad OC” fan club. Imho great OCs show thier best when they are under pressure. It’s easy to look good with boat loads of talent. The really good ones can make a great QB look good without much around them. A good OC can make the offense be more than the sum of its parts. Roman needs to have everything perfect for his offense to excel and that’s not a good OC imo.

[foreigner]

I get it, I’m an early adopter of the “Greg Roman is a bad OC” fan club. Imho great OCs show thier best when they are under pressure. It’s easy to look good with boat loads of talent. The really good ones can make a great QB look good without much around them. A good OC can make the offense be more than the sum of its parts. Roman needs to have everything perfect for his offense to excel and that’s not a good OC imo.

I don't agree with this, Herbert was throwing passes to the WRs chests, the WRs were dropping them. You can't blame the OC for that. (OR the OL is non existant in the 2nd half, meaning the OL is not performing at all).

[Chargers8491]

That’s a really interesting way to look at it. Do offensive coaches not make adjustments at the half to account for defenses or do they just let it ride and hope the players outplay the opponent. If I remember correctly Norv Turner was a great OC because he made great halftime adjustments not because he scripted a good first half.

1st half game plan is made to attack defenses weakness giving the offense the advantage. The Chargers have been good at doing that. Halftime adjustments are made by both teams and usually the advantage is lost so now you are relying more on talent.

[Budsman]

I don't agree with this, Herbert was throwing passes to the WRs chests, the WRs were dropping them. You can't blame the OC for that. (OR the OL is non existant in the 2nd half, meaning the OL is not performing at all).

Can I blame the OC for horrible second half game plans or is that on the WRs only? How long is that on the WRs? When do we blame the OC for not adjusting? After 14 games, a whole season? I genuinely want to know when the OC is at fault for not game planning better in the second half of football games. I’m not even going to get into if it’s the OCs fault for running up the gut on first down in inane number of times, so much so that the opposing defense knows the play call before the offense does.

[Budsman]

1st half game plan is made to attack defenses weakness giving the offense the advantage. The Chargers have been good at doing that. Halftime adjustments are made by both teams and usually the advantage is lost so now you are relying more on talent.

So you’re saying that halftime adjustments don’t work for the Offense to counter the defense? Shouldn’t the offense always be analyzing the defense in the first half and second half and making adjustments to? I would think that if both sides are playing chess that when one side gets ahead they don’t stop planning and adjusting and just blindly rely on pure talent and to win.

[richpjr]

I get it, I’m an early adopter of the “Greg Roman is a bad OC” fan club. Imho great OCs show thier best when they are under pressure. It’s easy to look good with boat loads of talent. The really good ones can make a great QB look good without much around them. A good OC can make the offense be more than the sum of its parts. Roman needs to have everything perfect for his offense to excel and that’s not a good OC imo.

I'm not defending Roman so much as thinking no OC is going to put up big or consistent numbers on O with our skill players. We have Ladd and had Dobbins and really nobody else on O the entire year to pair with Herbert.

[Budsman]

I'm not defending Roman so much as thinking no OC is going to put up big or consistent numbers on O with our skill players. We have Ladd and had Dobbins and really nobody else on O the entire year to pair with Herbert.

Yeah no doubt that this team needs more weapons but Roman isn’t the guy to make chicken salad out of chicken shit if you know what I mean.

I hate the chiefs as much as the next guy but Herbert and Mahomes are on the same level talent wise and before the Hopkins trade they had no one at WR, a cast off Kareem Hunt and a regressing kelce and still made it work. Why can’t we have an offense that does that? I think when rice went down our WRs, just by having Ladd, we’re better than the chiefs WRs.

IMO it’s because they have a better offensive coordinator and that’s what I want.