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[Topcat]

Interesting vid of TT analyzing the movie "Draft Day":

[Riverwalk]

Speaking about WR4….it will be interesting to see how much playing time QJ has in preseason games.

I would expect we will see very little if any of Ladd and normally, you would expect a first round receiver in his 3rd year that was WR2 last year would also not play.

But this year it’s different for QJ. They brought in so much competition for his previous spot and rank in the WR room, he might have to take a lot of preseason game snaps to prove himself.

I’m waiting for the tell.

[Boltjolt]

Interesting vid of TT analyzing the movie "Draft Day":

Entertaining movie but very unrealistic lol.

[dmac_bolt]

It appears to me that you are making wildly inaccurate and pointed comments in an effort to win a so called debate, not with football takes, but for the sake of winning.

Disengage.

My point about your very vocal Q support when he was drafted was to point out the risk of projecting rookies. You weren’t just a supporter, you were his most prominent and outspoken booster here. By a wide margin. my point wasnt that you’re a horrible talent evaluator, I think largely the opposite. It’s that there is no such thing as a 100% guarantee projecting NCAA players to the NFL. If you didn’t get that point (I think you did), you get it now.

Your “football take” is they WILL trade him either in August or October for a late round future pick. My football take is they shouldn’t and won’t. I think I’ve counted 4 “football take” reasons you’ve stated, apologies if I’m missing the critical #5:

1. QJ is incurably incapable and should never be trusted to catch another Herbert pass
2. Other teams will find him desirable with a lot of “potential” and offer draft pick(s) for him
3. the rookies are excellent, much better route runners and catchers than Q
4. We don’t have a 2026 comp pick, trading Q gains that pick

I respect your posts to address each point with my football takes:
- #1 and #2 are in tension, why does a team want to give us draft picks(s) for a player you think can’t even catch a pass?
- #3: we haven’t seen them play and Q himself proves this is a non-zero risk, there is no guarantee every player makes the jump from NCAA to NFL
- #4: 2025 depth insurance is more valuable than a 2026 6th rd pick - refer to #3, add in injury risks on top of it.

you don’t address these contrary football takes.

[richpjr]

The receiver battle will be very interesting this preseason. My rambling thoughts on it.

The only lock for early playing time is Ladd.

I think Williams being back with Herbert and two years removed from surgery is going to bounce back and will get significant playing time early time.

QJ is reportedly working hard on his route running and while a lot here are very down for very understandable reasons I think the coaching staff is higher on him than we are. He isn’t getting cut and nobody is going to trade for him. He will get more time than most here think.

Harris and KLS will play some and we have the luxury of easing them in, eventually taking snaps from QJ and Williams.

Davis is too limited as a WR and could be a surprise cut if anyone steps up as a returner.

Not sure Rice is anything but a practice squad candidate but they were really high on him last year.

Reagor will only be here barring injury.

[Maniaque 6]

The receiver battle will be very interesting this preseason. My rambling thoughts on it.

The only lock for early playing time is Ladd.

I think Williams being back with Herbert and two years removed from surgery is going to bounce back and will get significant playing time early time.

QJ is reportedly working hard on his route running and while a lot here are very down for very understandable reasons I think the coaching staff is higher on him than we are. He isn’t getting cut and nobody is going to trade for him. He will get more time than most here think.

Harris and KLS will play some and we have the luxury of easing them in, eventually taking snaps from QJ and Williams.

Davis is too limited as a WR and could be a surprise cut if anyone steps up as a returner.

Not sure Rice is anything but a practice squad candidate but they were really high on him last year.

Reagor will only be here barring injury.

I think you got it ! All it takes is to regain Justin's trust
I just rewatched the game against Houston
Outch !

[Topcat]

Entertaining movie but very unrealistic lol.

Yep...of all the unrealistic, dumb things in that flick, the one that takes the cake for me is when Costner says (14:40) "what else do we need?" Then his bimbo finance gal blurts out "special teams." No input from the HC, OC, DC, etc...yeah, riiiiiggghhhtttt....

[wu-dai clan]

The receiver battle will be very interesting this preseason. My rambling thoughts on it.

The only lock for early playing time is Ladd. Sante'

I think Williams being back with Herbert and two years removed from surgery is going to bounce back and will get significant playing time early time. Tre will start IMHO.

QJ is reportedly working hard on his route running and while a lot here are very down for very understandable reasons I think the coaching staff is higher on him than we are. He isn’t getting cut and nobody is going to trade for him. He will get more time than most here think. Just a few hundred more hours of tutoring from Sanjay, rather than developing 2 WRs we just drafted.

Harris and KLS will play some and we have the luxury of easing them in, eventually taking snaps from QJ and Williams. Urgency is palatable. Prime Herbert.

Davis is too limited as a WR and could be a surprise cut if anyone steps up as a returner. Excellent PR. WR#5. Actually catches passes. Horizontal capable.

Not sure Rice is anything but a practice squad candidate but they were really high on him last year. Rice is cooked.

Reagor will only be here barring injury.
As much potential as QJ. Draft position credentials are archaic measurements of worth.

Your patented efforts to return us to sensibility are noted...just a few areas of divergence.

I am sure QJ has experienced tough love from his Army Mom & Dad.

Now get after it everyone. Herb's waiting.

[dmac_bolt]

The receiver battle will be very interesting this preseason. My rambling thoughts on it.

The only lock for early playing time is Ladd. Sante'

I think Williams being back with Herbert and two years removed from surgery is going to bounce back and will get significant playing time early time. Tre will start IMHO. That would be ideal if he is able to. TC and PS games will reveal, coaches will see 100x more than we do.

QJ is reportedly working hard on his route running and while a lot here are very down for very understandable reasons I think the coaching staff is higher on him than we are. He isn’t getting cut and nobody is going to trade for him. He will get more time than most here think. Just a few hundred more hours of tutoring from Sanjay, rather than developing 2 WRs we just drafted. your view is understood. QJ may have put in those 200 hrs before LAC breaks 2025 camp. I disagree with your singularity view of LAC WR coaching. Coaches can develop more than one player. Alternatives to QJ would also require development.

Harris and KLS will play some and we have the luxury of easing them in, eventually taking snaps from QJ and Williams. Urgency is palatable. Prime Herbert. Having a contingency to allow rookies to develop at the pace they are able to is just basic risk management. if they are ready on Day1, thats great. Also unusual per NFL history. Putting rookies on the field that aren't ready won't help Herbert.

Davis is too limited as a WR and could be a surprise cut if anyone steps up as a returner. Excellent PR. WR#5. Actually catches passes. Horizontal capable. He is more limited than QJ imho but our opinions may not matter. Coaches don't agree with you, they may also prefer to "save" him for ST returns. He caught 13 passes for 112 yards last year.

Not sure Rice is anything but a practice squad candidate but they were really high on him last year. Rice is cooked. I agree.

Reagor will only be here barring injury.
As much potential as QJ. Draft position credentials are archaic measurements of worth. Coaches disagreed with you in 2024. We'll find out if they changed their view in 2025. I don't assume their assessments are solely a function of relative draft positions, I give coaches more credit than that. Competitors welcome.

Its interesting I'm wildly something and Rich is sensible (I agree Rich is sensible), and yet we both propose basically the same thing. I guess I need to work on my table manners. fair enough, not like I haven't heard that before. guilty.

[Riverwalk]

The receiver battle will be very interesting this preseason. My rambling thoughts on it.

The only lock for early playing time is Ladd.

I think Williams being back with Herbert and two years removed from surgery is going to bounce back and will get significant playing time early time.

QJ is reportedly working hard on his route running and while a lot here are very down for very understandable reasons I think the coaching staff is higher on him than we are. He isn’t getting cut and nobody is going to trade for him. He will get more time than most here think.

Harris and KLS will play some and we have the luxury of easing them in, eventually taking snaps from QJ and Williams.

Davis is too limited as a WR and could be a surprise cut if anyone steps up as a returner.

Not sure Rice is anything but a practice squad candidate but they were really high on him last year.

Reagor will only be here barring injury.

That’s a fair take.

I’ll just footnote that in today’s NFL, an offense needs a three headed monster threat at WR.

Last season we only had one so it’s amazing what the offense did in retrospect.

Besides Ladd, there’s no sure bet on WR2 and WR3 so competition is wide open right now.

We can handicap this one or that one but NOBODY knows for sure right now.

I’m just hoping a three headed monster IS created and if QJ is one of them, so be it.

[dmac_bolt]

That’s a fair take.

I’ll just footnote that in today’s NFL, an offense needs a three headed monster threat at WR.

Last season we only had one so it’s amazing what the offense did in retrospect.

Besides Ladd, there’s no sure bet on WR2 and WR3 so competition is wide open right now.

We can handicap this one or that one but NOBODY knows for sure right now.

I’m just hoping a three headed monster IS created and if QJ is one of them, so be it.

Agree with your take

We are all excited for the 3 draft picks. we need to see them play in Gro's offense with Herbie against NFL defenders before we know what we have. If Q is still a starter on opening day, cool - he'll have to earn it. If Q is not, also cool. If Harris or KLS need a lil time and start opening day as a backup but earn starting role later, also cool. I don't care. I am agnostic on any of their particular eternal fates vs the others. I hope they all succeed as long as they are Chargers.

[jox g]

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WillMi07.htm In years #3, 4, 5, 6, MDub was at his best! 1,000 + yards in his 3rd year. Improved from yr 1 to year 2
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JohnQu02.htm Quentin Johnston will be in year #3. Improved from year 1 to year 2

Give him time. Some players need it. (Barring the return of Jesus for the rescue of His true followers, then WW3), see how this year goes.