Bengals at Chargers (-1.5) Pre Game Discussion (Wk 11)

[jubei]

Not to mention, he's never had receivers even close to the level of Chase & Higgins to throw to.

I love Herbert, I think he has all the tools and football IQ to be one of the best ever. And in my opinion, he's already top 5. My only real gripe is that I would like to see him get rid of the ball quicker. Sometimes it seems like he holds onto it too long trying to make something happen. But, I do realize the majority of our receiving core seems to have issues getting open consistently, coupled with the troubles we have at times in pass pro. Still, it's an area I'd like to see him improve upon.

funny you say Herbert holds the ball a little long. I heard that was Burrow's issue...wanting to make the big play so would hold onto the ball longer.

[Dark Helmet]

funny you say Herbert holds the ball a little long. I heard that was Burrow's issue...wanting to make the big play so would hold onto the ball longer.

My personal opinion is that Burrow isn't any better than Herbert. Burrow has had better receivers and better overall teams to play with. They are both great, young QB's. But, and call me biased, I'd still take Herbert over Burrow.

[jubei]

My personal opinion is that Burrow isn't any better than Herbert. Burrow has had better receivers and better overall teams to play with. They are both great, young QB's. But, and call me biased, I'd still take Herbert over Burrow.

^^^AGREED. there arent many teams that wouldnt take either of these guys over their own guys.

It's similar to the argument between PR and Eli and rapelessberger.

[Velo]

My personal opinion is that Burrow isn't any better than Herbert. Burrow has had better receivers and better overall teams to play with. They are both great, young QB's. But, and call me biased, I'd still take Herbert over Burrow.

Burrow: Quality, consistent coaching throughout his career. Same head coach, same OC until this season (now HC in Tenn).
Herbert: Poor coaching most of his career. 3 head coaches. 4 OCs.

Burrow: Quality OL throughout his career.
Herbert: Consistently low-ranked OL through most of his career.

Burrow: Strong run game support. Joe Mixon averaged 1018 yards 2021-2023.
Herbert: Consistently weak run game support. Herbert has never had a 1,000 yd RB.

Burrow: Supported by at least average to top 10 defense throughout his career.
Herbert: Below average to bottom 5 defense every year of his career.

Burrow: Top 3 WR corps through most of his career, led by perhaps the best WR in the league.
Herbert: Very good WRs in KA & MW, but not on the level of Cinn's WR group.

[jubei]

Burrow: Quality, consistent coaching throughout his career. Same head coach, same OC until this season (now HC in Tenn).
Herbert: Poor coaching most of his career. 3 head coaches. 4 OCs.

Burrow: Quality OL throughout his career.
Herbert: Consistently low-ranked OL through most of his career.

Burrow: Strong run game support. Joe Mixon averaged 1018 yards 2021-2023.
Herbert: Consistently weak run game support. Herbert has never had a 1,000 yd RB.

Burrow: Supported by at least average to top 10 defense throughout his career.
Herbert: Below average to bottom 5 defense every year of his career.

Burrow: Top 3 WR corps through most of his career, led by perhaps the best WR in the league.
Herbert: Very good WRs in KA & MW, but not on the level of Cinn's WR group.

perfectly summarized.

[Fouts2herbert]

People are always going to compare guys from the same draft class and even guys from classes close to them but there should be an asterisk next to the names of guys drafted into stable organizations and played for the same coach in the same offensive scheme and all of that

I’m certain guys like mahomes and burro would have overcome everything Herbert has had to overcome too…

[charger1_sj]

If one conducts a survey of Burrow vs Herbert, Burrow would come out on top. That's because he's had more success in the POs and has
been to the SB. These opinions can change if/when Herbert can win games in the POs. That's what it comes down to.

[Velo]

If one conducts a survey of Burrow vs Herbert, Burrow would come out on top. That's because he's had more success in the POs and has
been to the SB. These opinions can change if/when Herbert can win games in the POs. That's what it comes down to.

if/when the Chargers can give Herbert the support he needs to win games...that is how I would phrase it

[Dark Helmet]

if/when the Chargers can give Herbert the support he needs to win games...that is how I would phrase it

Exactly. As much as he's tried/tries, the kid can't do it by himself. Not to that level.

[Velo]

Worth watching. This guy's spiel is that coaching makes all the difference in world of the NFL, he uses Harbaugh as an example. To open he plays a clip of Colin Cowherd saying Harbaugh is proof there are a lot of middling coaches in the league, and that some guys who are great coordinators just don't have the right stuff to be head coaches.

THE HERD | Colin Cowherd STUNNED, Los Angeles Charger Have Become TRUE CONTENDERS With Harbaugh

[CanadianBoltFan]

Burrow: Quality, consistent coaching throughout his career. Same head coach, same OC until this season (now HC in Tenn).
Herbert: Poor coaching most of his career. 3 head coaches. 4 OCs.

Burrow: Quality OL throughout his career.
Herbert: Consistently low-ranked OL through most of his career.

Burrow: Strong run game support. Joe Mixon averaged 1018 yards 2021-2023.
Herbert: Consistently weak run game support. Herbert has never had a 1,000 yd RB.

Burrow: Supported by at least average to top 10 defense throughout his career.
Herbert: Below average to bottom 5 defense every year of his career.

Burrow: Top 3 WR corps through most of his career, led by perhaps the best WR in the league.
Herbert: Very good WRs in KA & MW, but not on the level of Cinn's WR group.

Burrow has had way better weapons but I have to push back on protection. The Cincy o line has never been a strength for Burrow

Cincinnati's O-Line is 28th in the NFL according to PFF. Only the Raiders, Jaguars, Titans and Patriots are ranked lower. It has been weak pretty much his whole career. Thye have spent big on aging veterans in desparation.

[CanadianBoltFan]

If one conducts a survey of Burrow vs Herbert, Burrow would come out on top. That's because he's had more success in the POs and has
been to the SB. These opinions can change if/when Herbert can win games in the POs. That's what it comes down to.

100%. That is the reality. I have watched the big pundits this week leading up to the game comparing Herbert and Burrow. While they all like Herbert a lot, every one gives the nod to Burrow. Ultimately QBs are judged on winning , judged on big moments in big games...and Burrow has more of them.

Of course I would rather have our man Herbert but the perception around the NFL is different. I am hoping Herbert can make a statement on Sunday night , and I feel he will in the coming years with Harbaugh