New Stadium Developments...hmmmm

[blahblahblah]

I didn't tie anything to anything or say anything false. I just was pointing out the Super Bowl didn't help Miami and it didn't help Detroit. The game may have increased tourism, but tourism doesn't make a place a better place to live.

I'd still live in San Diego if I had the money. I'd certainly live there before I lived in any of the cities who have hosted recent Super Bowls.

You can't...just...say that. First off it's a non-falsifiable statement second you have absolutely nothing to back it up. Maybe they would be worse off if they didn't have the SB, who knows? Most public economists would say there is benefit, for what that's worth.

The whole point of investment like this is to increase public revenue which can then be used on other public benefits. ROIC.

[thelightningwill]

You can't...just...say that. First off it's a non-falsifiable statement second you have absolutely nothing to back it up. Maybe they would be worse off if they didn't have the SB, who knows? Most public economists would say there is benefit, for what that's worth.

The whole point of investment like this is to increase public revenue which can then be used on other public benefits. ROIC.

Miami has hosted more Super Bowls than any other. It was rated this year by Forbes as the most miserable city in the country.

New Orleans has hosted the second most amount of Super Bowls. I wouldn't want to live there either.

I wonder where their Super Bowl money went? To public benefits? I doubt it.

[oneinchpunch]

Miami has hosted more Super Bowls than any other. It was rated this year by Forbes as the most miserable city in the country.

New Orleans has hosted the second most amount of Super Bowls. I wouldn't want to live there either.

I wonder where their Super Bowl money went? To public benefits? I doubt it.

Would you want to party there?

[thelightningwill]

Would you want to party there?

Haha. Not anymore. I wouldn't like the Mardis Gras crowds.

I did go to our Super Bowl in Miami. Went to a few parties there. Nowadays, I'd rather just drink my store-bought beer in my home. Boring, I know.

[richpjr]

The game may have increased tourism, but tourism doesn't make a place a better place to live.

It depends what you mean by "better". It does generate money if that is in your equation. Increased tourism means that more people come here and spend money on the local economy than before. More money made by local business means more jobs and more money spent by these businesses from other businesses. It also means an increase in tax revenue for the city when this money is being spent. It trickles down to many levels. The other thing is the number of jobs that the construction of a new stadium will generate, further leading to more spending. On the opposite end of the spectrum, if the city sits on their ass and does nothing and the team leaves, the economy will lose jobs and money.

[6025]

lightningwill, your comments reek of the typical NIMBY attitude pervasive here (even if you don't live here) and is in general pretty ignorant. Glad you don't live here to be quite honest.

[Beerman]

Not to mention the hundreds of jobs created by the construction of the new stadium/surrounding development.

[Mister Hoarse]

Here is how to get a stadium built in California:

Number one industry in the state is its own penal system.

Largest political lobby group in Cali are the prison guard union.

Build a multi purpose facility that will be used 365 days a year that can also host NFL games using public money, while satisfying lobbyists, politicians and construction unions...
By incorporating the football facility within a new prison!

Prison inmates can staff all concessions, satisfying the NFL's love of utilising unpaid volunteer labor to staff its events.

Union guards can provide all security and usher staff, thereby creating jobs.

Housing for inmates built into walls of stadium. While football field doubles as excercise yard during non game days.

Unfortunately, I came up with the perfect scenario for the Raiders.

[Panama]

I don't troll. I just don't trust politicians and rich people getting together to spend public money.

That's the only money politicians can spend officially.

[Panama]

I didn't tie anything to anything or say anything false. I just was pointing out the Super Bowl didn't help Miami and it didn't help Detroit.

Sure it did. It just didn't help them enough to bail them out with all their other problems. High crime rate, general suckitude, etc. -- the Super Bowl is not some panacea that suddenly wipes away these things. But the Super Bowl and all the other events that are attracted to modern stadiums do generate a lot of revenue for local economies. Over time, they pay for themselves.

[Panama]

I don't know anything about the San Diego library or City Hall.
But I can say this.
The city I live in has an NHL and NBA arena, an NFL stadium, an MLB stadium, and a library. It hosts a major college bowl game every year and I think hosted a Final 4 game not that long ago. I've been at that library at least once a week for 5 years. I went to the baseball stadium once because somebody gave me a free ticket. And I went to the NBA arena once to see Bruce Springsteen. But that's just me. The library is one of the few places I can still afford to go.

And are you going to travel to another city -- and spend money on its hotels and restaurants and museums and shops and other attractions -- because of its public library?

[MakoShark]

I appreciate Lightning playing devil's advocate here, even if he didn't mean it. It brought a lot to the discussion. I think what he's saying is "show me where the revenue went" If a SB is so valuable to a city "show me where the revenue will go." "Don't just tell me it generates tax revenue, show me."

Lightning, that library you go to once a week. If tax revenue started to become sparse and the city had to start charging a "cover" just to get into the library, would you still go? A surge in tax revenue can to be used in many ways around you that you don't usually take notice of. Your police and fire services have expensive overhead costs. Schools could always use extra revenue. Do you enjoy smooth roads you travel on? How about the local business owner who see's a surge in his revenue and can now afford to make updates and/or repairs to his business so it stays profitable? It is a trickle down effect. I know you think that the money will just end up in some politicians pocket or some rich guys, but I don't see the corruption being as plain as that. The surge in revenue that a local business owner will see is uncorruptable, IMO. The taxes he pays on that surge, and the taxes paid by the patron at the time of the transaction, are a grey area that you may not neccesarily "see" the benefit of.