How Do We Get A Quality Corner?

[Panama]

i didn't think Cason was that bad considering the lack of pass rush during his years here, just inconsistent but solid enough number 2 guy. we're essentially paying Cox premium corner money for the same or worse production of either Cason and Jammer.

it also doesn't help that people have high expectations for that uber rare shutdown corner....i mean as maddening as Cromartie's play and character is/was, he's still considered one of the top corners in the league so that should tell you there aren't really that many top corners....

Cromartie always had the athleticism to be a special corner. I haven't paid too much attention since we rid ourselves of him, but maybe he finally pulled his head out of his ass?

[RTPbolt]

Cromartie still has the same tendencies....flashes ability but makes bonehead mistakes and continues to not control himself off the field....up to what...11 kids or so? He must love children.

I'm glad we got rid of him frankly. I'd rather not have complete idiots on my team. That said we just cant seem to hit on a CB that stays healthy or lives up to expectations. Jammer still in my mind was a model for consistency even if he started to lose a step...he still was very dependable.

RTPbolt

[RTPbolt]

I agree our biggest issue is getting pressure on the QB. Without that threat we will always struggle on defense. We are decent at run stopping but QBs pick us apart without pressure.

To me Ingram is still a big unknown....frankly we havent seen what he can do. Is he really a good pass rusher at the NFL level? If he does come on then he and Freeney could be at a good level, however we need to draft for another 2 IMO that are pass rush focused to really have depth at LB. We still need a dominating NT to make this defense humm....and another DE to really substitute in to keep Reyes/Legit fresh.

[Panama]

Cromartie still has the same tendencies....flashes ability but makes bonehead mistakes and continues to not control himself off the field....up to what...11 kids or so? He must love children.

I'm glad we got rid of him frankly. I'd rather not have complete idiots on my team. That said we just cant seem to hit on a CB that stays healthy or lives up to expectations. Jammer still in my mind was a model for consistency even if he started to lose a step...he still was very dependable.

RTPbolt

Agreed. Jammer was the best CB this team has had since Byrd. I always was a big fan of his.

[QSmokey]

Agreed. Jammer was the best CB this team has had since Byrd. I always was a big fan of his.

Same here. Classy guy...who had personal problems of his own. But he never bellyached, went public, did something stupid, or let it become a distraction to the team at all.

And I agree what Benassi said about Cox. He's an expensive Cason.

[OhioBolt]

Our draft history on cornerbacks doesn't grade out well from 2002 to present four were drafted in the first round. Jammer got a lot of grief early in his career because he was 5th overall pick and didn't really develop till like his 3rd year and he never had more than 4 INT in a season. Cromartie has the physical make up and skill, but his attitude was piss poor, and he would have mental lapse and still has his moments with the Jets. Steve Williams 2013 pick we can't judge him do to being IRed, but his physical make up(5'10" 185lbs.), he may be a good nickel back. The last small corner that was really good was the the Redskins Darrell Green, but that dude was quick and had great vertical speed and good hips to turn.


2002 1st (5) Quentin Jammer Texas
2003 1st (30) Sammy Davis Texas A&M
2003 2nd (46) Drayton Florence Tuskegee
2006 1st (19) Antonio Cromartie Florida State
2007 4th (28) *Paul Oliver Georgia (Supplemental Draft)
2008 1st (27th) Antoine Cason Arizona
2008 6th (192) DeJuan Tribble Boston College
2009 5th (148) Brandon Hughes Oregon State
2011 2nd (50) Marcus Gilchrist Clemson
2011 3rd (89) Shareece Wright USC
2013 5th (145) Steve Williams CAL

[thelightningwill]

Agreed. Jammer was the best CB this team ha
s had since Byrd. I always was a big fan of his.

Harper was better than Jammer.

[Boltjolt]

Our draft history on cornerbacks doesn't grade out well from 2002 to present four were drafted in the first round. Jammer got a lot of grief early in his career because he was 5th overall pick and didn't really develop till like his 3rd year and he never had more than 4 INT in a season. Cromartie has the physical make up and skill, but his attitude was piss poor, and he would have mental lapse and still has his moments with the Jets. Steve Williams 2013 pick we can't judge him do to being IRed, but his physical make up(5'10" 185lbs.), he may be a good nickel back. The last small corner that was really good was the the Redskins Darrell Green, but that dude was quick and had great vertical speed and good hips to turn.


2002 1st (5) Quentin Jammer Texas
2003 1st (30) Sammy Davis Texas A&M
2003 2nd (46) Drayton Florence Tuskegee
2006 1st (19) Antonio Cromartie Florida State
2007 4th (28) *Paul Oliver Georgia (Supplemental Draft)
2008 1st (27th) Antoine Cason Arizona
2008 6th (192) DeJuan Tribble Boston College
2009 5th (148) Brandon Hughes Oregon State
2011 2nd (50) Marcus Gilchrist Clemson
2011 3rd (89) Shareece Wright USC
2013 5th (145) Steve Williams CAL

Darryl Green was an all pro. There have been some small corners that were good. Fred Smoot was good but he was only 175 LBS. Charles Tillman isnt getting any love in this thread but he has been pretty consistant for a while now though he isnt small. I like Brandon Flowers as well. Asante Samual has been pretty damn good and is only 185 LBs, Antione Winfield was good for years and only 5'9", 180. Just to name a few.

[OhioBolt]

Darryl Green was an all pro. There have been some small corners that were good. Fred Smoot was good but he was only 175 LBS. Charles Tillman isnt getting any love in this thread but he has been pretty consistant for a while now though he isnt small. I like Brandon Flowers as well. Asante Samual has been pretty damn good and is only 185 LBs, Antione Winfield was good for years and only 5'9", 180. Just to name a few.

I forgot some of the other backs I just remember Darryl Green because he played corner all his career and I think he was like 38 and still ran a 4.4 and was able to cover.

Back then you had a few tall fast recievers, today dam near all the recievers are at least 6ft or taller, are physical and can run. There are only a few small recievers and
Wes Welker is the only one that has put up big numbers, there are other small recievers but they aren't putting up Wes Welker numbers.

Of the current small corners Brandon Flower and Charles Tilman are good ones that I forgot to mention. I know there are alot of other corners under 6ft, but who currently playing would you would say is a quality corner? DeAngelo Hall is okay but for as much big plays he makes he gives up a lot too.

[Panama]

Harper was better than Jammer.

I liked Harper. A lot. But I respectfully disagree.

[Boltx]

Another great showing by Cox today. For all the nice moves TT made....this one was easily his worst.

[OhioBolt]

Another great showing by Cox today. For all the nice moves TT made....this one was easily his worst.

That isn't even debatable he has flat out sucked!!!!