The Patriots

[like54ninjas]

How long does it take Bosa, Ingram or Tillery to travel 15 feet ? Obviously somebody has to beat the blocking.
Not sure Brady avg getting the ball out in under 2 but up the middle is the must obvious answer. If 6'-6" Tillery gets two steps up field & raises his hands he's impacting the pass lanes, forcing QB movement. If Bosa - SupaMel beat their block, they're at the QB in 2. If we have LBs who can cover such as Davis, Perryman, Brown, White, a quality deep S such as Adderley, we can blitz. Take a free run at the line & actually bring it when the rest have range & ability to play the ball. It takes a quality team effort to beat the Pats offense.
Nor having Perryman (or Brown, White, Liuget) clearly impacted our run D. The Pats run game was a big part of their drives.
LOL! Brady definitely did not keep the LAC D on the field. NE zipped right through them for 5 first half TDs. Some LAC offense could have helped. We were clearly short too many components and clearly out coached in 2018 playoffs.

For all of Jerry's height/length he had 0 PD in 4 years of college production. Not a part of his game at this point at least. Hopefully he will close windows, angles, and throwing lanes going forward.

[powderblueboy]

How long does it take Bosa, Ingram or Tillery to travel 15 feet ? Obviously somebody has to beat the blocking.
Not sure Brady avg getting the ball out in under 2 but up the middle is the must obvious answer. If 6'-6" Tillery gets two steps up field & raises his hands he's impacting the pass lanes, forcing QB movement. If Bosa - SupaMel beat their block, they're at the QB in 2. If we have LBs who can cover such as Davis, Perryman, Brown, White, a quality deep S such as Adderley, we can blitz. Take a free run at the line & actually bring it when the rest have range & ability to play the ball. It takes a quality team effort to beat the Pats offense.
Nor having Perryman (or Brown, White, Liuget) clearly impacted our run D. The Pats run game was a big part of their drives.
LOL! Brady definitely did not keep the LAC D on the field. NE zipped right through them for 5 first half TDs. Some LAC offense could have helped. We were clearly short too many components and clearly out coached in 2018 playoffs.

Pats interior Oline very effective in shutting down interior pass rushes. That's a tough 15 feet to travel. Aaron Donald had success, but very few others.

[sonorajim]

Pats interior Oline very effective in shutting down interior pass rushes. That's a tough 15 feet to travel. Aaron Donald had success, but very few others.

Ageed. They were very effective. Vs that OL we need better play by DTs and at least the threat of a blitz coupled with solid coverage at all levels. Addae got exposed badly and we had too many # 2's, 3's starting. Any time we stopped the pass, they ran for a 1st.

[Boltjolt]

Floyd was never all that fast. NOt any faster than Mike Williams anyway. But he knew how to set up DB, and had the long strides to cover a lot of ground. When DB's try to get a jump on the crossing routes we love to throw, or we go play action, the WR can get behind the D, regardless of the WR speed.

Speed helps, but play design and offensive consistency can keep giving the offense opportunities to take shots, and in the end, since long passes are kinda low probability plays, it is the number of times you take those shots that matters.

Remember, Benjamin upgrades our speed over Tyrell Williams, so if it is just the speed, then I don't think we are missing anything. Benjamin is one of the fastest WR in football. Much faster than Williams. Benjamin is not as good a route runner and has inconsistent hands, but his lack of playing time last year was because he was the 4th WR in a 3 WR offense where no one got hurt.

Henry is going to give defenses a fit. A LB cannot cover him, and taking S out of deep coverage is going to make it easier to get the WR deep.

Well, HE(Benjamin) was hurt most the year. Benjamin isn't an upgrade over Tyrell but if you are strictly talking speed then ok but that means little.

M.Williams isn't a burner but he is faster than Keenan and is a deep threat and more of one than Benjamin because he fights for the ball where Benjamin does not.

[Fleet]

I thought this might turn into a decent discussion. lol

[Steve]

Well, HE(Benjamin) was hurt most the year. Benjamin isn't an upgrade over Tyrell but if you are strictly talking speed then ok but that means little.

M.Williams isn't a burner but he is faster than Keenan and is a deep threat and more of one than Benjamin because he fights for the ball where Benjamin does not.

I agree, Benjamin is not a better receiver, but he is much faster. T. Williams was fast, but Benjamin is a lot faster.

The point I was going for is that the speed alone does help that much. Benjamin does catch a fairly high percentage of deep passes, so in that sense he is a deep threat. In any case, as you said it yourself, you don't need speed to be a deep threat. Williams and Allen are plenty fast to get deep.

As far as M Williams goes, he was always a vertical receiver for Clemson and for us. He is not a burner. But having guys who can attack every level of the D gets DB playing flat footed and that probably helps more than anything. PLenty of fast, even guys with elite speed never develop into deep threats and some WR with pretty ordinary speed can develop the ability to get open deep. Speed helps players turn regular plays into big plays, but quickness is far more important as far as that goes too.

The biggest thing we need to do to get our WR open downfield is better pass blocking.

[beachcomber]

projection is that we'll get a fourth round compensatory pick for Tyrell, and guess who (and Seattle) will (again) receive a total of four compensatory picks (in 2020) ?? !!

http://overthecap.com/draft/


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[like54ninjas]

projection is that we'll get a fourth round compensatory pick for Tyrell, and guess who (and Seattle) will (again) receive a total of four compensatory picks (in 2020) ?? !!

http://overthecap.com/draft/

2 of which (3 & 6) where only on the team for 1 season. Got some production and got someone (Ratturds) to overpay for that 3rd.

[powderblueboy]

Ageed. They were very effective. Vs that OL we need better play by DTs and at least the threat of a blitz coupled with solid coverage at all levels. Addae got exposed badly and we had too many # 2's, 3's starting. Any time we stopped the pass, they ran for a 1st.

Agree. Wade Phillips blitzed the inside linebacker a few times during the Super Bowl. That caused slight indecision along the Pats interior so that they couldn't immediately double up (& hold) Aaron Donald. It's so simple sometimes.

[wu-dai clan]

projection is that we'll get a fourth round compensatory pick for Tyrell, and guess who (and Seattle) will (again) receive a total of four compensatory picks (in 2020) ?? !!

http://overthecap.com/draft/


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Thanks for the link.

[sonorajim]

I agree, Benjamin is not a better receiver, but he is much faster. T. Williams was fast, but Benjamin is a lot faster.

The point I was going for is that the speed alone does help that much. Benjamin does catch a fairly high percentage of deep passes, so in that sense he is a deep threat. In any case, as you said it yourself, you don't need speed to be a deep threat. Williams and Allen are plenty fast to get deep.

As far as M Williams goes, he was always a vertical receiver for Clemson and for us. He is not a burner. But having guys who can attack every level of the D gets DB playing flat footed and that probably helps more than anything. PLenty of fast, even guys with elite speed never develop into deep threats and some WR with pretty ordinary speed can develop the ability to get open deep. Speed helps players turn regular plays into big plays, but quickness is far more important as far as that goes too.

The biggest thing we need to do to get our WR open downfield is better pass blocking.

"Taking the top off" coverages makes room for less speedy receivers to work. Being both very fast and very good would be nice but very fast & OK works. DBs can't allow Benj to wander around behind them uncovered. It's a useful part of "make them defend the entire field" that Coryell preached.

[Topcat]

The next time we play the Cheatriots, I would rather NOT try for the deep pass. Why?

1. You need very good pass blocking to give PR time to throw the deep ball. The Pats have shown they are very disruptive in their rush. Maybe Tevi/Feeney or whoever replaces them gets better in pass pro. Maybe not.

2. Pats play solid man coverage. Interceptions are a big risk. Incompletions resulting from wasted deep shots are, IMHO, wasted plays.

3. If PR drops back looking long, besides the risk of a pick, he could be sacked or stripped. Both are game-changers.

4. A much more high percentage play is the short or medium pass. Mix that in with an effective ground game, and you do the following:
a. Ball control
b. Maximize TOP, run down the clock
c. Keep the ball out of Tommy Boy's hands
d. Keep your D fresh by giving them a long break
e. Less chance of a turnover
f. Puts your team in the lead, or at least close, so we're not forced to play catch-up, and the Cheats will be expecting to defend most if not all passes