Offensive Line Discussion

[Bolt4Knob]

Josina - well maybe not bomb but quite interesting. I think he has a right to ask about the direction with moving on from Rivers; probably Gordon. These are GOOD players you just do nto replace. A healthy Okung is a good solid NFL OT. A not so healthy Okung is 13m of cap space. NFL is dirty this way. But the other 31 teams will be making these decisions. And if you go with sentiment over reality, well you will be a 5-11 football team. Heck without Rivers and a new Rookie QB - they will be a 5-11 football team probably.

@ig:josinaanderson
A source tells me that #Chargers LT Russell Okung has expressed his uncertainty in the direction of the organization. While the team has attempted to reassure him, Okung remains skeptical of the team's direction and his future with the team.

[like54ninjas]

Josina - well maybe not bomb but quite interesting. I think he has a right to ask about the direction with moving on from Rivers; probably Gordon. These are GOOD players you just do nto replace. A healthy Okung is a good solid NFL OT. A not so healthy Okung is 13m of cap space. NFL is dirty this way. But the other 31 teams will be making these decisions. And if you go with sentiment over reality, well you will be a 5-11 football team. Heck without Rivers and a new Rookie QB - they will be a 5-11 football team probably.

@ig:josinaanderson
A source tells me that #Chargers LT Russell Okung has expressed his uncertainty in the direction of the organization. While the team has attempted to reassure him, Okung remains skeptical of the team's direction and his future with the team.

Time to cut bait, get younger, and move on.
Let big Russ see what his value is during FA.

[blueman]

Yeah, sucks the team wants an OT that can actually suit up. Terrible direction.

[Fleet]

I was thinking Okung could be a cap casualty anyways. But if we could grab a pick that would be ideal. Draft a LT and bring in a stud RT like Bryan Bulaga? Probably less per year than what Okung is making anyways.

I think either a trade or release still adds around 4M in dead money. Im not sure what the post June 1st numbers look like. Last year of contract and it may be a clean break.

Im not sold on any QB other than Burrows. And i really like Tua but that health man? Scares me but i would pull the trigger. Let a team move up for Herbert. Grab another 2nd.

Draft Becton at LT. Bulaga at RT. I think with Taylor and Sticks mobility we would be fine. Just set the table...and if either of those 2 fail then we look to 21/22 for the QB.

Ill say this...with Rivers i felt every year was a push year. We had to push for the SB every year. Now? Im not so stressed about it. Im a business guy. I know that rosters built for the long term are not done overnight. We are building a new product. Im going to be patient. I think the team will need a couple years to blossom. I also have no problem trading high priced guys that are likely not going to be picked back up on their next contract. Pick up some draft capital if possible.

[chargeroo]

I'm not sold on Becton, he can't make those blocks you need downfield to spring a long run. He's overpowering at the LOS but not so hot past the los. You also have to question his weight. When he has a few million dollars in the bank, how much will he spend on food?

My ideal wish is that they could get a couple of good FA linemen and use the number six pick for bpa because there will be some very good players available at #6.

[wu-dai clan]

josina needs more hits...

:shifty:

[like54ninjas]

I was thinking Okung could be a cap casualty anyways. But if we could grab a pick that would be ideal. Draft a LT and bring in a stud RT like Bryan Bulaga? Probably less per year than what Okung is making anyways.

I think either a trade or release still adds around 4M in dead money. Im not sure what the post June 1st numbers look like. Last year of contract and it may be a clean break.

Im not sold on any QB other than Burrows. And i really like Tua but that health man? Scares me but i would pull the trigger. Let a team move up for Herbert. Grab another 2nd.

Draft Becton at LT. Bulaga at RT. I think with Taylor and Sticks mobility we would be fine. Just set the table...and if either of those 2 fail then we look to 21/22 for the QB.

Ill say this...with Rivers i felt every year was a push year. We had to push for the SB every year. Now? Im not so stressed about it. Im a business guy. I know that rosters built for the long term are not done overnight. We are building a new product. Im going to be patient. I think the team will need a couple years to blossom. I also have no problem trading high priced guys that are likely not going to be picked back up on their next contract. Pick up some draft capital if possible.

Russ only counts $2.5 million dead money and saves $13 million against the cap.
Becton is an absolute MONSTER and only getting better at 20 y.o.
Bulaga is a short term answer. If signed, Hope only for 2-3 years max.

[like54ninjas]

I'm not sold on Becton, he can't make those blocks you need downfield to spring a long run. He's overpowering at the LOS but not so hot past the los. You also have to question his weight. When he has a few million dollars in the bank, how much will he spend on food?

My ideal wish is that they could get a couple of good FA linemen and use the number six pick for bpa because there will be some very good players available at #6.

I love your ideal wish. Right there with you.

Disagree on Mekhi’s movement skills.

[Fleet]

I'm not sold on Becton, he can't make those blocks you need downfield to spring a long run. He's overpowering at the LOS but not so hot past the los. You also have to question his weight. When he has a few million dollars in the bank, how much will he spend on food?

My ideal wish is that they could get a couple of good FA linemen and use the number six pick for bpa because there will be some very good players available at #6.

While i dont need to share your opinion on Becton...i absolutely agree that BPA at 6 makes sense. If we stay at 6 im probably looking at Brown, Simmons and Okudah. If Tua isnt there. Outside the top 10 guys like Becton and Jackson make sense to me. Im sort of just liking the idea that they have shown well at LT. The other guys are RT's. And thats fine because we need that also...but the cost of a guy like Bulaga may be the cheapest route to signing a new OT.

Hes not an overweight player imo. And we just saw Rivers hammered seemingly on every drop back this past season. While have a road grading LT is fine? My God just get me a guy that blows up pass rushers. Its really hard to find players that do both well. Protect and run block.

Downfield block will be more about play design for us. I think our screen game with Lynn is going to be epic. Because we will have QBs that boot or roll out pulling defenders to one side and then dinking the other way to guys like Ekeler with open field blockers.

[Fleet]

Russ only counts $2.5 million dead money and saves $13 million against the cap.
Becton is an absolute MONSTER and only getting better at 20 y.o.
Bulaga is a short term answer. If signed, Hope only for 2-3 years max.

Im seeing 3.5 in dead. And yes that age is something i have been vocal about almost every year. I love the young boys.

[like54ninjas]

Im seeing 3.5 in dead. And yes that age is something i have been vocal about almost every year. I love the young boys.

I use spotrac.......
CHARGERS Russell Okung EMBED THIS

LEFT TACKLEAge: 32 Exp: 9 Years
Drafted: Round 1 (#6 overall), 2010College: Oklahoma StateAgent(s): Peter Schaffer, JR Rickert () - More Chargers - Adderley, Nasir Allen, Keenan Anderson, Stephen Badgley, Michael Benjamin, Travis Bosa, Joey Broughton, Cortez Brown, Jatavis Campbell, Tevaughn Cantrell, Dylan Culkin, Sean Davis, Geremy Davis, Thomas Davis, Michael Drango, Spencer Dzubnar, Nick Egbule, Emeke Ekeler, Austin Facyson, Brandon Feeney, Dan Gordon, Melvin Green, Virgil Groy, Ryan Guyton, Jalen Hardison, Marcus Hayward, Casey Henry, Hunter Ingram, Melvin Jackson, Justin James, Derwin Jefferson, Malik Jenkins, Rayshawn Johnson, P.J. Johnson, Tyron Jones, Justin Jones, Donnie Kendricks, Lance King, Desmond Lamp, Forrest Long, Ty Martin, Koda Mazza, Cole Mebane, Brandon Meeks, Quenton Moore, Jason Nwosu, Uchenna Okung, Russell Patton, Andre Perryman, Denzel Phillips, Adrian Pipkins, Trey Pope, Troymaine Pouncey, Mike Quessenberry, Scott Rivers, Philip Rochell, Isaac Schofield, Michael Scott, Trenton Square, Damion St. Louis, Tyree Stick, Easton Taylor, Tyrod Teamer, Roderic Tevi, Sam Tillery, Jerry Toner, Cole Tranquill, Drue Vollert, Andrew Watkins, Jaylen Watt, Derek White, Kyzir Williams, Sylvester Williams, Mike

• Contract Details
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• Current Contract
  
  Russell Okung signed a 4 year, $53,000,000 contract with the Los Angeles Chargers, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $25,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $13,250,000. In 2020, Okung will earn a base salary of $13,000,000 and a roster bonus of $31,250, while carrying a cap hit of $15,531,250 and a dead cap value of $2,500,000.

  CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $53,000,000

  SIGNING BONUS$10,000,000

  AVERAGE SALARY$13,250,000

  GTD AT SIGN:$25,000,000

  TOTAL GTD:$25,000,000

  FREE AGENT:2021 / UFA

  2017		29	$3,000,000	$2,500,000	$500,000	$6,000,000	$25,000,000	$13,468,750($13,468,750)
  2018		30	$12,000,000	$2,500,000	$468,750	$14,968,750	$19,500,000	$12,468,750($25,937,500)
  2019		31	$13,000,000	$2,500,000	$31,250	$15,531,250	$5,000,000	$13,031,250($38,968,750)
  2020		32	$13,000,000	$2,500,000	$31,250	$15,531,250	$2,500,000	$13,031,250($52,000,000)
  2021		33	UFA
  Contract Notes: $25M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2017 salary + 2018 salary) 2017 Per Game Active Bonus: $31,250 ($500,000) 2018 Per Game Active Bonus: $31,250 ($500,000, 15 LTBE) 2019 Per Game Active Bonus: $31,250 ($500,000, 15 LTBE) 2020 Per Game Active Bonus: $31,250 ($500,000, 1 LTBE)

[Fleet]

I like both OTC and Spotrac but over the past month i have had to reach out to Spotrac on twitter to remind them the site is down. Not sure whats happening with them. But we clearly have a couple different numbers here from the 2 sites. If your numbers are the correct ones thats even better.


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