Is There A Disconnect Between Lynn and Telesco?

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  • UglyTruth
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    Is There A Disconnect Between Lynn and Telesco?

    It also appears that there is some sort of disconnect in the philosophy of the front office and that of the coaching staff. The front office has made a huge effort the last 2 seasons to get more athletic on Defense. Drafting Drue Tranquill, Emeke Egbule, Nasir Adderley, and Kyzir White. With everyone healthy, exactly 0 of those players are starting. In fact this week those 4 players combined for 7 snaps...all by Kyzir White. Yes the front office also brought in Thomas Davis, who is still a good player and a great leader, but I don't think Tom Telesco did that thinking "there's my every down LB who can play 100% of snaps every week at 36 and has never been known for sideline to sideline speed." Egbule looked good in the preseason and the other 3 all looked fantastic. Why does it seem like the front office has a pretty specific plan in mind and assembles a collection of players that could succeed under that plan, but the Coaching staff is operating like they are working off a different plan? I mentioned it earlier but there seems to be a philosophy on this coaching staff as a whole that veteran status and practice time seem to trump everything else, and they back themselves up by citing tackles as the be all end all stat on defense and "he didn't miss a snap for us" on offense.

    Something needs to change here. Either everyone needs to get on board with the fact that there is a rapidly shrinking window for this very good team to go push for a super bowl, or the decision needs to be made that they aren't re-signing Rivers and they should put all the young guys in now to see what they've got. At least that way they either identify pieces they can build around, or they find out they have all bad pieces and wind up with a draft pick high enough to grab their new QB.

    ​​​​​​https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/201...-action-review
    This is a excerpt from a brilliant article on BFTB which everyone should read in its entirety as it addresses all the problem that the Chargers have right now.

    Back to excerpt though, isn't this completely true? The front office seems to want to play these young guys who are much quicker and faster to the ball yet Lynn and the coaching staff seems to prioritize seniority and training camp reps over actual talent and ability. These older players like Thomas Davis should be playing a few snaps here and there instead of starting and playing nearly the whole game. He's getting picked on again and again by every QB and team we have played so far cause they know he moves like he has cement shoes on.

    This goes true for the offense as well. Beating the dead horse again, yes this is in reference to Forrest Lamp not getting playing time and Travis Benjamin getting unwarranted playing time.

    Lynn has such an outdated philosophy that needs to change based on players' abilities.
    Tom Telesco’s Results in 9 years as Chargers GM:

    - 69-74 record
    - 0 division titles in 9 yrs as GM
    - Worst record among all active GMs with same tenure
    - 6th worst winning percentage among all active GMs overall
    - 2 playoff wins despite elite QB all 9 yrs
    - Team still has the same weaknesses (Oline and run defense) that it had when hired as GM in 2013
    - Consistently puts together horrible depth, expects starters to never miss games
  • powderblueboy
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    #2
    No! The coaching staff plays a big part in drafting the players. All those players mentioned, save Kyzir White, are rookies. White started last year. Egbule & Tranquil are 3rd day guys; Adderley missed a lot of training camp.

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    • richpjr
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      #3
      Almost all coaches prefer to play veteran players who know what they are doing and players who have practiced to rookies running around with no clue as to what they are doing. It's almost like the author is unaware that the coaching staff see the young guys in practice as well as the veterans and play the guys who give them the best chance to win. And a team drafting young players to learn and move into the rotation when they are ready - what a novel concept. The only thing brilliant about that article is how the author managed to get time to write it in between his middle school homework.

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      • UglyTruth
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        #4
        Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post
        No! The coaching staff plays a big part in drafting the players. All those players mentioned, save Kyzir White, are rookies. White started last year. Egbule & Tranquil are 3rd day guys; Adderley missed a lot of training camp.
        Jenkins and Tevi are 3rd day guys too. And what about Lamp then?

        And training camp isn't where players are taught how to play football. These guys played college football, training camp is only to familiarize themselves with a new system and playbook. Adderly has had like 3 or 4 weeks worth of practices now to get used to the playbook. A player of his caliber can definitely play on this god awful secondary.

        It's one thing if the Chargers were some powerhouse team with studs all around but we're a team that's playing a lot of scrubs right now (some due to injury) so play the young kids who are impossible to be worse than the current starters.
        Tom Telesco’s Results in 9 years as Chargers GM:

        - 69-74 record
        - 0 division titles in 9 yrs as GM
        - Worst record among all active GMs with same tenure
        - 6th worst winning percentage among all active GMs overall
        - 2 playoff wins despite elite QB all 9 yrs
        - Team still has the same weaknesses (Oline and run defense) that it had when hired as GM in 2013
        - Consistently puts together horrible depth, expects starters to never miss games

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        • UglyTruth
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          #5
          Originally posted by richpjr View Post
          Almost all coaches prefer to play veteran players who know what they are doing and players who have practiced to rookies running around with no clue as to what they are doing. It's almost like the author is unaware that the coaching staff see the young guys in practice as well as the veterans and play the guys who give them the best chance to win. And a team drafting young players to learn and move into the rotation when they are ready - what a novel concept. The only thing brilliant about that article is how the author managed to get time to write it in between his middle school homework.
          You probably thought Mike McCoy was a genius as well since "he saw players in practice and knew who to play". Newsflash but a lot of HCs are incompetent. Not saying fans on blog sites or message boards know any better but that's why it's better to trust the film rather than take what the coaches say as gospel.

          And please don't act as if favoritism isn't shown in the NFL and especially for the Chargers franchise. It's not as black and white as "the best players play".
          Tom Telesco’s Results in 9 years as Chargers GM:

          - 69-74 record
          - 0 division titles in 9 yrs as GM
          - Worst record among all active GMs with same tenure
          - 6th worst winning percentage among all active GMs overall
          - 2 playoff wins despite elite QB all 9 yrs
          - Team still has the same weaknesses (Oline and run defense) that it had when hired as GM in 2013
          - Consistently puts together horrible depth, expects starters to never miss games

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          • wu-dai clan
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            #6
            We now enter a stretch of the season where our players have a chance to catch their breath and to get settled in.

            Then comes the playoff run.

            Meanwhile, the crazy talk keeps on coming.
            We do not play modern football.

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            • richpjr
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              #7
              Originally posted by UglyTruth View Post

              You probably thought Mike McCoy was a genius as well since "he saw players in practice and knew who to play". Newsflash but a lot of HCs are incompetent. Not saying fans on blog sites or message boards know any better but that's why it's better to trust the film rather than take what the coaches say as gospel.

              And please don't act as if favoritism isn't shown in the NFL and especially for the Chargers franchise. It's not as black and white as "the best players play".
              McCoy didn't have nearly the talent that Lynn has. Not even close. What game film do you have on Adderly to know that he is ready to play or would be better than shifting Jenkins to the other safety position? Of course coaches have favorites, but that is usually because they have proven themselves and the coaches know what they are getting. If not for some stupid penalties by the offense we'd be undefeated even with our beaten up secondary.

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              • SYB
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                #8
                "Brilliant article" ? :que:

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                • like54ninjas
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                  Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post
                  We now enter a stretch of the season where our players have a chance to catch their breath and to get settled in.

                  Then comes the playoff run.

                  Meanwhile, the crazy talk keeps on coming.
                  No shit.
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                  • UglyTruth
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                    #10
                    On Defense, it's starting to feel like Gus Bradley cares too much about practice and is letting veteran status/"experience" dictate the lineup.

                    Where the bad comes in, is that between those snaps going to Perryman, and again leaving Thomas Davis out there for 100% of the snaps, Kyzir White basically erased from the defensive gameplan only seeing the field for 7 snaps. White is the only one of the 3 who can effectively cover TEs, and with Roderic Teamer filling the Adrian Phillips role, the Chargers D got torched by the Texans TEs for a combined 124 yards and 3 TDs (including a 53 yard catch and run). There's also the fact that Gus and Anthony Lynn have both said Nasir Adderley isn't playing because he's just "so far behind" after missing training camp, but come on...he played out of his mind good in the final preseason game, and the most impressive part of what he did was his ability to read what was happening in front of him, then use his athleticism to be in the right place to make a play on the ball. You can't teach that in practice. A guy has that or he doesn't, and he has it.

                    https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/201...-action-review
                    I hope the Chargers do not think having Teamer and Davis defend TEs is a good idea moving forward because if these scrub TEs on the Texans had career days against the Chargers, it's rather scary to think what the good TEs in this league (like Kelce who we face twice) will do.
                    Tom Telesco’s Results in 9 years as Chargers GM:

                    - 69-74 record
                    - 0 division titles in 9 yrs as GM
                    - Worst record among all active GMs with same tenure
                    - 6th worst winning percentage among all active GMs overall
                    - 2 playoff wins despite elite QB all 9 yrs
                    - Team still has the same weaknesses (Oline and run defense) that it had when hired as GM in 2013
                    - Consistently puts together horrible depth, expects starters to never miss games

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                    • Biggestfan
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                      #11
                      I think the disconnect is you have a front office bringing in players that neither fit the type of offense or defense these coaches are attempting to run.

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                      • richpjr
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Biggestfan View Post
                        I think the disconnect is you have a front office bringing in players that neither fit the type of offense or defense these coaches are attempting to run.
                        You seriously think that the front office is drafting players that the coaches don't sign off on? Really?

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