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[Topcat]

nobody knows, thats the point. Nobody should assume he is the greatest GM whisperer on the planet until we see him do something.

John Lynch - good call, you got one, he was better in the booth than Brady was though. I'll call Ozzie as #2, he was even better imo but thats a quibble over comparative greats. Got a third?
Elway was a great counter-example, i wish he were still involved more.

I don't see how any top candidates want to work for the Raiders - Tom doesn't help but probably just resets the status quo - that organization is a ...

Wait a minute, Mac! At LEAST let TT do a little dumpster diving for coupon clipping FA specials before u set that bin ablaze...quite an appropriate metaphor for TT and the Duhs if I ever saw one...

[Boltjolt]

I think many are making the assumption that whether or not he publicly chooses the broadcasting gig he will continue to be involved behind the scenes with the Raiders...the NFL fucked up by not making him choose before he became a minority owner...that wasn't supposed to have happened to begin with if he was committed to the broadcasting contract... is it 37 million for the whole length of the deal of per season?

10 year, 375 mil deal. How dumb was that! I guess they figured he would be great at it lol.

[Heatmiser]

Telesco. Good person. I like him as a human.

As a GM:

- Never hired a successful Head Coach
- Very few (any?) free agent acquisitions that paid off
- For all the accolades, kind of hit and miss on the draft, although the lack of a competent coaching staff may have impacted the success of the draft picks
- No division titles, few playoff appearances, even fewer playoff wins
- Drafted an elite QB
- Found some pretty good UDFAs

He was hired after Antonio's Piercings. It felt like an after thought. I think it still is. I think if a coveted HC (coveted by fruit bowl haircut) wants more control Telesco is out.

TG

[Bolt4Knob]

Telesco. Good person. I like him as a human.

As a GM:

- Never hired a successful Head Coach
- Very few (any?) free agent acquisitions that paid off
- For all the accolades, kind of hit and miss on the draft, although the lack of a competent coaching staff may have impacted the success of the draft picks
- No division titles, few playoff appearances, even fewer playoff wins
- Drafted an elite QB
- Found some pretty good UDFAs

He was hired after Antonio's Piercings. It felt like an after thought. I think it still is. I think if a coveted HC (coveted by fruit bowl haircut) wants more control Telesco is out.

TG

I think Telesco seemed like a good person. Meaning his moral and ethical compasses were pointed correctly. I think he honestly worked hard and did the best for the team. I think he tried

But the record is the record -- and end of the day, no divisions, a couple wild card wins, thats the record

[Jack Burton]

Rumors floating around that teams are calling MINN about McCarthy.
Teams know MINN only have 3 picks in the upcoming draft. A 1st and 2 5ths. Not good.
TENN has fired and hired 2 HC’s and 2 GM’s in 3 years.
They are rumored to be willing to just give the 1st pick to MINN for McCarthy straight up and that MINN could then trade down the pick to get draft capital.

[Velo]

Telesco. Good person. I like him as a human.

As a GM:

- Never hired a successful Head Coach
- Very few (any?) free agent acquisitions that paid off
- For all the accolades, kind of hit and miss on the draft, although the lack of a competent coaching staff may have impacted the success of the draft picks
- No division titles, few playoff appearances, even fewer playoff wins
- Drafted an elite QB
- Found some pretty good UDFAs

He was hired after Antonio's Piercings. It felt like an after thought. I think it still is. I think if a coveted HC (coveted by fruit bowl haircut) wants more control Telesco is out.

TG

I think Telesco seemed like a good person. Meaning his moral and ethical compasses were pointed correctly. I think he honestly worked hard and did the best for the team. I think he tried

But the record is the record -- and end of the day, no divisions, a couple wild card wins, thats the record

To be fair...both neither Anthony Lynn nor Brandon Staley had losing records as Chargers coaches. Staley was 24-24, Lynn 33-31. Lynn was 1-1 in the playoffs. Staley 0-1. Lynn did have a 12-4 season. Staley a 10-7 season. Both of them won 9 games in their first years as head coach.

Staley had two winning seasons in the three he was head coach, Lynn two of four. Both were first-time head coaches (Lynn had been interim HC in Buff for one game).

These records are not egregiously bad. There have been much worse first time head coaches. Matt Eberflus for example, a first time head coach who was fired this season after 2.75 seasons. His record was 46-14.

Staley and Lynn were not terrible failures, they just were not good enough, given the talent on the Chargers teams they coached.

One thing Staley accomplished that Harbaugh did not - he went into KC and beat the Chiefs in his first season. That was the last time the Chargers beat the Chiefs, I believe.

Telesco's teams never won a division title, that is a knock against him. Even with 12 wins in 2018 the Chargers were bested by the Chiefs by an obscure tie-breaker.

I'm certainly not pining for a return of the Telesco days and Lynn and Staley as head coaches. But let's give all three of them a fair assessment.

[Bolt4Knob]

To be fair...both neither Anthony Lynn nor Brandon Staley had losing records as Chargers coaches. Staley was 24-24, Lynn 33-31. Lynn was 1-1 in the playoffs. Staley 0-1. Lynn did have a 12-4 season. Staley a 10-7 season. Both of them won 9 games in their first years as head coach.

Staley had two winning seasons in the three he was head coach, Lynn two of four. Both were first-time head coaches (Lynn had been interim HC in Buff for one game).

These records are not egregiously bad. There have been much worse first time head coaches. Matt Eberflus for example, a first time head coach who was fired this season after 2.75 seasons. His record was 46-14.

Staley and Lynn were not terrible failures, they just were not good enough, given the talent on the Chargers teams they coached.

One thing Staley accomplished that Harbaugh did not - he went into KC and beat the Chiefs in his first season. That was the last time the Chargers beat the Chiefs, I believe.

Telesco's teams never won a division title, that is a knock against him. Even with 12 wins in 2018 the Chargers were bested by the Chiefs by an obscure tie-breaker.

I'm certainly not pining for a return of the Telesco days and Lynn and Staley as head coaches. But let's give all three of them a fair assessment.

Thats fair
And I wish Staley, Visor McCoy, Lynn well. Telesco - well he is on the Raiders - so not much


But just glad the team has Hortiz and Harbaugh thats for sure

[Velo]

But just glad the team has Hortiz and Harbaugh thats for sure

Ditto x 1000!

[eaterfan]

To be fair...both neither Anthony Lynn nor Brandon Staley had losing records as Chargers coaches. Staley was 24-24, Lynn 33-31. Lynn was 1-1 in the playoffs. Staley 0-1. Lynn did have a 12-4 season. Staley a 10-7 season. Both of them won 9 games in their first years as head coach.

Staley had two winning seasons in the three he was head coach, Lynn two of four. Both were first-time head coaches (Lynn had been interim HC in Buff for one game).

These records are not egregiously bad. There have been much worse first time head coaches. Matt Eberflus for example, a first time head coach who was fired this season after 2.75 seasons. His record was 46-14.

Staley and Lynn were not terrible failures, they just were not good enough, given the talent on the Chargers teams they coached.

One thing Staley accomplished that Harbaugh did not - he went into KC and beat the Chiefs in his first season. That was the last time the Chargers beat the Chiefs, I believe.

Telesco's teams never won a division title, that is a knock against him. Even with 12 wins in 2018 the Chargers were bested by the Chiefs by an obscure tie-breaker.

I'm certainly not pining for a return of the Telesco days and Lynn and Staley as head coaches. But let's give all three of them a fair assessment.

On the flip side, aside from one Tyrod Taylor start for Lynn, and a few Stick starts after the wheels fell off for Staley, they each had HOF level QBs for their entire tenure. Maybe not at the peak of their powers, but neither had abject failures at QB, either. Going roughly .500 over 6 seasons with HOF QBs is not good.

There have definitely been worse coaches and worse first time coaches, but it's not like either was working with Josh Rosen out there.

[Bolt4Knob]

Speaking of Tom Telesco
He was fired today by the Raiders

Telesco is going to get a nice severance package

[Bolt4Knob]

On the flip side, aside from one Tyrod Taylor start for Lynn, and a few Stick starts after the wheels fell off for Staley, they each had HOF level QBs for their entire tenure. Maybe not at the peak of their powers, but neither had abject failures at QB, either. Going roughly .500 over 6 seasons with HOF QBs is not good.

There have definitely been worse coaches and worse first time coaches, but it's not like either was working with Josh Rosen out there.

I saw a stat or graphic of the Tom Telesco years. If you take away QB - and remember, he walked into Rivers and did draft Herbert (because the Fins took Tua) -- the rest of the roster had a bottom 3 WAR equivalent if you will. The Chargers under Telesco were overly reliant on the QB position.
He never built a consistent OL
The defenses were inconsistent
Running game was bottom 25% in the NFL over his 11 years
and no team speed

Not sure where he goes after getting canned by the Raiders - might just take a year off

[Eurobolt]

Telesco wasted Herbert rookie contracts with Lynn and BS.
I never forgive it.

He should not be a GM in NFL.
Who is paying his contract now? Raiders or Chargers?