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[electricgold]

Davis is a weapon as a PR/KR guy and made some big plays the few times Roman called them for him. Can't have too many of those.

Davis ain't going nowhere! Harbagh likes him a lot! Herbert was starting to develop chemistry with him at the end of last season.

QJ starts dropping passes and having goose egg games he'll be gone, and Reagor will be the first cut if there's no progression in his play!

[Bolt4Knob]

Yeah, Davis brings more to the table than QJ.
Look for JH to try and get anything for him up until training camp.
Are Cornelius Johnson and Brendan Rice still around?

I think they are different players - QJ I think would be better in the normal offense but Davis is the KR/PR
That said, I think DD has higher odds of being on the roster. QJ is going to have to step it up

[Topcat]

I think they are different players - QJ I think would be better in the normal offense but Davis is the KR/PR
That said, I think DD has higher odds of being on the roster. QJ is going to have to step it up

^ This...it's not just QJ's drops that are an issue--they are...but it's the consistent lack of separation leading to incompletes and PD's, and an occasional pick...yes, QJ had a decent season with 700+ yds...but...a lot of that yardage was against poor teams...his only two 100+ yard games were vs. the Raiders and Browns, both big-time losers last season...when it's crunch time, especially against the better teams in the league, he just doesn't usually make the clutch catches...looking forward to seeing what Tre Harris can do this year...I think QJ goes to #4 or #5 on WR depth chart...

[Jack Burton]

I think they are different players - QJ I think would be better in the normal offense but Davis is the KR/PR
That said, I think DD has higher odds of being on the roster. QJ is going to have to step it up

Which of the two is worth more in a trade?

[Bolt4Knob]

^ This...it's not just QJ's drops that are an issue--they are...but it's the consistent lack of separation leading to incompletes and PD's, and an occasional pick...yes, QJ had a decent season with 700+ yds...but...a lot of that yardage was against poor teams...his only two 100+ yard games were vs. the Raiders and Browns, both big-time losers last season...when it's crunch time, especially against the better teams in the league, he just doesn't usually make the clutch catches...looking forward to seeing what Tre Harris can do this year...I think QJ goes to #4 or #5 on WR depth chart...

I don't think QJ will be traded anytime soon. Like Molden last year - maybe there is a training camp to show how he is playing - some team sees his skill set better and will take on his salary. Granted if he has a poor training camp, I doubt he has a market

I person ally hope QJ steps it up as his skill set as a 4 on the dept chart, splitting snaps with KLS, could be a solid outcome.

[Bolt4Knob]

Which of the two is worth more in a trade?

My guess at this time, DD would get more value as I think he is a good solid KR/PR. He has a known, consistent skillset.

[rensoul]

I think they are different players - QJ I think would be better in the normal offense but Davis is the KR/PR
That said, I think DD has higher odds of being on the roster. QJ is going to have to step it up

I think QJ would work a lot better with a KC type offense where they could scheme him open underneath in space as a YAC player.

Ironically, with the team adding MW, Harris, and KLS, then it may be possible to scheme away from QJ's weaknesses and scheme up a few touches in space a game for him and let the other WR's handle the boundary downfield/contested catch duties.

[Boltjolt]

So what option is better at back up OT than Pipkins. I agree about Pipkins at OG - but talking about OT as well. Chargers could use a better than average backup swing OT as Slater has been hurt. I don't see a need to get rid of Pipkins for just cap space.

And the players that will be cut will be shittier than Pipkins. You bust my fucking balls about Andy Isabella - you did it again the other fucking day and now you want some chump off the street

And for the fucking record - who did Joe Hortiz draft at WR
Tre Harris - VERTICAL threat that is good on contested catches, up the sideline with better speed than Mike Williams - even in Williams prime -
KLS - -VERTICAL threat with speed that can get downfield
So basically the type of WR I think they needed. And he not only drafted one of them, he drafted TWO of them because as Popper pointed out -- Herbert is best getting the ball downfield. 20+ yard passes

As for Darius Davis - -I thin Ficken does have a say in building up special teams

Get over it already --Allen is not coming back. You and Tyler Shoon can cry in your pillows over "Slayer"

Chump off the street? Where did I suggest a chump off the street? I'm talking about as we go into TC, players that are cap casualties and later cuts , maybe even a trade. Hortiz isn't Telesco and will find a way. With Telesco at this stage, we can expect nothing.

Not talking about cutting him tomorrow. And not talking about signing KA tomorrow or trading QJ tomorrow. Got to see what KLS brings first.
Hortiz says they are always looking to upgrade and Pipkins is a weak link and it's why Becton is here.

Surely there will be somebody better than fucking Pipkins. Hec maybe our 6th rounder shows at least as good.
Who knows but Pipkins is nothing to pencil in as quality depth.
I'm not arguing the WRs we drafted. They are a reason there may not be room for Davis as a WR.

I wouldn't put to much credibility in what Popper says. His picks were as wrong as ours lol

Again, I don't care if we sign Keenan or not but trading QJ, signing KA and cutting Davis is a better WR room than it is with QJ and Davis with our new additions. Rice will get a shot to make the team and he has better hands than QJ and just a bit faster.

[21&500]

QJ is still a play maker (sometimes for us and sometimes for the opposition)
seriously though
just cut out the whole "catching" thing out of the equation.
hand it to him, tosses, screens, manufactured touches...
QJ as a big. 3rd down scatback has a better chance than positionless wr.

[Boltjolt]

What does or WR depth chart look like right now?

1. McConkey
2. Harris
3. QJ
4. DD
5. KLS(unless or until he beats out DD)
6. Williams
7. Rice
8. Reagor

Does anyone actually think that old man Williams, Reagor or Rice are keepers? Does anyone think that we will keep any of them over a draft pick or QJ? I don't. McConkey and QJ are the only receivers we have who actually performed last year.

MW is making the team!
Davis has a skill set, as a return guy, ...not as much as a receiver but he can help here and there.

I know Velo keeps raving about Tank Dell and for good reason, and then he always likes to add....."Davis and Tank are the exact same size".

Well ok, they are but Tank is a much better WR than Darius and is always dinged because of his size and now has a career threatening injury

[Topcat]

I think QJ would work a lot better with a KC type offense where they could scheme him open underneath in space as a YAC player.

Ironically, with the team adding MW, Harris, and KLS, then it may be possible to scheme away from QJ's weaknesses and scheme up a few touches in space a game for him and let the other WR's handle the boundary downfield/contested catch duties.

QJ's best routes are crossers and slants, as long as you get the rock to him before he hits the sideline...aside from that, his effective route tree is pretty limited, IMHO...

[Bolt4Knob]

Chump off the street? Where did I suggest a chump off the street? I'm talking about as we go into TC, players that are cap casualties and later cuts , maybe even a trade. Hortiz isn't Telesco and will find a way. With Telesco at this stage, we can expect nothing.

Not talking about cutting him tomorrow. Hortiz says they are always looking to upgrade and Pipkins is a weak link and it's why Becton is here.

Surely there will be somebody better than fucking Pipkins. Hec maybe our 6th rounder shows at least as good.
Who knows but Pipkins is nothing to pencil in as quality depth.
I'm not arguing the WRs we drafted. They are a reason there may not be room for Davis as a WR.

I wouldn't put to much credibility in what Popper says. His picks were as wrong as ours lol

Again, I don't care if we sign Keenan or not but trading QJ, signing KA and cutting Davis is a better WR room than it is with QJ and Davis with our new additions. Rice will get a shot to make the team and he has better hands than QJ and just a bit faster.

Look around the league - Pipkins is a better than most back up OT. Not saying starting OT or starting RG - but back up ST. Chargers will be hard pressed to find better after cuts are made because if teams have a good depth piece on the Oline, they find a way to keep them.
I agree, Pipkins was out of his depth at RG - but backup OT - I think he is a solid depth piece.