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[21&500]

Is there a bigger stain on Grier's resume in Miami than Tua over Herbert?

[dmac_bolt]

Lance appears to have a lot of upside...remember, he hasn't had a whole lot of total snaps...seems to be improving...and he's still young...

eh ... perhaps. his upside has been a promise now for 4 years. he is better than when SF first tossed him into the fire in 2021 unprepared. And 4 years is not TOO long for a QB to develop, but its getting closer to it.

My point is that if a team wants to trade for a QB now, its because they need a QB now. Teams need a backup that can toss 4 or 5 warmup balls on the sideline while trainers stall bringing out the starter and go into a game "now" and win. Teams are not interested in bringing in a QB for development in November. If you honestly scan down the list of all 32 backup QBs in the league today because you need someone that can play a game immediately, you're not stopping on the name "Lance" and saying "yep - this is the one guy".

all jmo of course. what do I know.

[Riverwalk]

I doubt this analysis is correct. Wentz will likely remain in the upper half of backup QBs in the league and nobody watching that game will blame him imo. Bouncing around teams as a backup is the story of many backup QBs, its not a rare occurrence.

I'd trade Lance for him if he is healed up. I don't get why the TPB opinion of Lance is so high - I could be very wrong again.

Lance is already better than Wentz and has so much more potential.

[Bolt-O]

Is there a bigger stain on Grier's resume in Miami than Tua over Herbert?

Maybe, but no playoff wins is more likely a bigger stain. I'm guessing Ross just got tired with the coaching situation, but he's not yet ready to fire McDaniel per reports. You never know about draft picks, but I think Tyreek Hill was probably a big mistake outside of his game play.

[powderblueboy]

Lance is already better than Wentz and has so much more potential.

I don't know, Wentz is a physical mess.

Maybe, the Rams sneak in and grab Lance, with Stafford possibly retiring.

[wu-dai clan]

Colts drank Vikings milkshake.

[dmac_bolt]

Lance is already better than Wentz and has so much more potential.

we can disagree. Teams looking for an emergency QB in November don't care about potential

[YAC]

I don't get why the TPB opinion of Lance is so high - I could be very wrong again.

I'm sure some on TPB are overly hyped and unrealistic.

He's not delivered so far, for sure. But there's this:
-He has incredible upside. He's big, athletic and has a ballistic arm. Physically he profiles like Josh Allen.
-He's still only 25...near the age of some rookies.
-He's raw as he still hasn't played many football games at all, college, pro, preseason...total them up and it's not much, so it's fair to wonder if he's still a gem in the rough.

So...if the chance he ever develops the pay-off is massive. 15% chance of that happening is enough to intrigue and excite.

[northerner]

Is there a bigger stain on Grier's resume in Miami than Tua over Herbert?

I don't know. a lot of draftniks had Tua over Herbert (from what i remember). there was the hip injury on Tua's resume before the draft, but he seemed like the more proven QB at the time of the draft.

i like draft picks without injury question marks, but other than that, Tua seemed like a good bet. Herbert's TD run in the rose bowl was the play that had me excited to see him get picked by us. the recent vikings game showcased him as a true dual-threat QB (with a top 5 arm).

looking back now, it is Herbert by a mile. however, Tua, Waddle and Hill were lighting it up at times when the dolphins were a playoff team..

[21&500]

I don't know. a lot of draftniks had Tua over Herbert (from what i remember). there was the hip injury on Tua's resume before the draft, but he seemed like the more proven QB at the time of the draft.

i like draft picks without injury question marks, but other than that, Tua seemed like a good bet. Herbert's TD run in the rose bowl was the play that had me excited to see him get picked by us. the recent vikings game showcased him as a true dual-threat QB (with a top 5 arm).

looking back now, it is Herbert by a mile. however, Tua, Waddle and Hill were lighting it up at times when the dolphins were a playoff team..

Agreed.
Hindsight and all, results-oriented business.
You simply can't miss on a qb picking top 5 period, especially with a future HOFer getting picked 6th.
Unless you're an elite GM elsewhere, that's a huge blunder.
imho, Tua's brief moment of success as a qb with the weapons around him is not enough to save him from the bust label. And I was Tua's biggest fan boy on TPB that draft year. I wish him health and a safe job like qb-coach somewhere.

[dmac_bolt]

Agreed.
Hindsight and all, results-oriented business.
You simply can't miss on a qb picking top 5 period, especially with a future HOFer getting picked 6th.
Unless you're an elite GM elsewhere, that's a huge blunder.
imho, Tua's brief moment of success as a qb with the weapons around him is not enough to save him from the bust label. And I was Tua's biggest fan boy on TPB that draft year. I wish him health and a safe job like qb-coach somewhere.

more TPB brothers wanted Tua than wanted Herbert, you weren’t alone. Many guys that claim absolute certainty in their opinions wanted Tua.

I haven’t seen a reason to think he’d be a great QB coach. There is always an assumption that a player will be a great coach - I don’t know about that.

[Riverwalk]

I'm sure some on TPB are overly hyped and unrealistic.

He's not delivered so far, for sure. But there's this:
-He has incredible upside. He's big, athletic and has a ballistic arm. Physically he profiles like Josh Allen.
-He's still only 25...near the age of some rookies.
-He's raw as he still hasn't played many football games at all, college, pro, preseason...total them up and it's not much, so it's fair to wonder if he's still a gem in the rough.

So...if the chance he ever develops the pay-off is massive. 15% chance of that happening is enough to intrigue and excite.

Like Allen, Lance can run and he’s really good at it. Fast and elusive.

We’ve seen how effective that has been for Allen his whole career and saw how effective it was for Lance in preseason.

Lance had a mix of velocity and touch passes in preseason demonstrating his arm talent.

Yes, that needs to develop but he’s only played a handful of games and only a year older than Kyle Kennard.