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[Ghost of Quacksaw]

There's so little *actual* news that NFL.com is posting articles about players who are changing their jersey numbers.

[Heatmiser]

Don't worry, soon we will be getting all of the "xxxxxx is in the best shape of his life after (fill in blank)". And "xxxxxx rededicated himself to his craft by reveiwing all of his tape from last season" and "xxxxxx trained this off season with renowned (fill in blank with the position) guru Ghost of Quacksaw." And we will read about all the disappointing players who just might, could, certainly there is a possibiliy, blossom with a change of scenery.

[Topcat]

I don’t get where you got the “first 79”? What are you seeing?

I saw basically what Topcat copied post after yours, in OTC. They seem to always be accurate, they wait until the contract is approved and divulged through league offices before they post year by year details

Raiders can cut him his last year - IFF he’s not injured at the time.

Topcat - I’ve never heard of a signing bonus where cash is actually paid in void years. I don’t know you’re wrong, but I never seen that.

Maybe it's due to confusion over signing bonus and ROSTER bonus:

What Is an NFL Contract Restructure?

Technically, restructuring an NFL contract can include any sort of change to how a player will receive his money.

But an NFL contract restructure generally refers to a team converting a portion of a player’s base salary or roster bonus into a signing bonus.

The primary reason NFL teams restructure deals is to create immediate cap space. While base salaries and most roster bonuses count in full against the cap, signing bonuses are prorated over the life of the deal or five years, whichever is shorter.

For example, Patrick Mahomes had a $34.4 million roster bonus due this offseason. If the Chiefs had left the terms of his deal in place, Mahomes’ roster bonus would have counted — in full — against Kansas City’s salary cap in 2023.

Instead, the Chiefs converted $12 million of that roster bonus into a signing bonus, which will be prorated over the next five seasons. That transaction reduced Mahomes’ cap 2023 cap charge by $9.6 million, space which can now be devoted to other players.

For the most part, NFL teams don’t even have to consult players before redoing their deals in this fashion. Most clubs have baked automatic conversion clauses into contracts that allow them to orchestrate restructures as they choose.

Meanwhile, restructures are generally favorable for players. Instead of waiting to be paid their base salaries on a weekly basis during the season, the player will get money immediately in the form of a signing bonus.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/h...cts-explained/

And then, there's this:

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[dmac_bolt]

Maybe it's due to confusion over signing bonus and ROSTER bonus:

What Is an NFL Contract Restructure?

Technically, restructuring an NFL contract can include any sort of change to how a player will receive his money.

But an NFL contract restructure generally refers to a team converting a portion of a player’s base salary or roster bonus into a signing bonus.

The primary reason NFL teams restructure deals is to create immediate cap space. While base salaries and most roster bonuses count in full against the cap, signing bonuses are prorated over the life of the deal or five years, whichever is shorter.

For example, Patrick Mahomes had a $34.4 million roster bonus due this offseason. If the Chiefs had left the terms of his deal in place, Mahomes’ roster bonus would have counted — in full — against Kansas City’s salary cap in 2023.

Instead, the Chiefs converted $12 million of that roster bonus into a signing bonus, which will be prorated over the next five seasons. That transaction reduced Mahomes’ cap 2023 cap charge by $9.6 million, space which can now be devoted to other players.

For the most part, NFL teams don’t even have to consult players before redoing their deals in this fashion. Most clubs have baked automatic conversion clauses into contracts that allow them to orchestrate restructures as they choose.

Meanwhile, restructures are generally favorable for players. Instead of waiting to be paid their base salaries on a weekly basis during the season, the player will get money immediately in the form of a signing bonus.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/h...cts-explained/

And then, there's this:

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I don’t see any numbers in any combination or permutation that get me to 79, I don’t’ care what is added from the various contract numbers. I wonder if I’m just missing something, or maybe t was a typo (we all make those), I dunno. Not a big deal, just curious?

[Topcat]

I don’t see any numbers in any combination or permutation that get me to 79, I don’t’ care what is added from the various contract numbers. I wonder if I’m just missing something, or maybe t was a typo (we all make those), I dunno. Not a big deal, just curious?

It appears that some teams can negotiate with players to simply convert SOME of the "roster bonus" into a "signing bonus," but spread out some of it over several seasons, to reduce their current cap hit, or that of the following year, like this example from the story:

"Instead, the Chiefs converted $12 million of that roster bonus into a signing bonus, which will be prorated over the next five seasons. That transaction reduced Mahomes’ cap 2023 cap charge by $9.6 million, space which can now be devoted to other players."

Same amount of $$$, just spread over more years...the lawyers just wave a magic wand and voila! Call the old money something new to help the team...

[dmac_bolt]

It appears that some teams can negotiate with players to simply convert SOME of the "roster bonus" into a "signing bonus," but spread out some of it over several seasons, to reduce their current cap hit, or that of the following year, like this example from the story:

"Instead, the Chiefs converted $12 million of that roster bonus into a signing bonus, which will be prorated over the next five seasons. That transaction reduced Mahomes’ cap 2023 cap charge by $9.6 million, space which can now be devoted to other players."

Same amount of $$$, just spread over more years...the lawyers just wave a magic wand and voila! Call the old money something new to help the team...

Nothing you’re posting on this is related to my question, I’m not tracking you on this one TC. Zero idea why you keep offering Mahomey example of how teams adjust cap by reworking existing contracts.

I don’t get to the number $79M is my question, was not sure if its me being dense or not. Are you imagining they go rework the contract they just signed a week ago? Cuz if that’s your point, we can go ahead and make up any number and what are we even doing now?

now I don’t care so never mind lol.

[Bolt4Knob]

dmac_bolt My mistake -I thought his contract was 87/3 - it was 81/3.

So they get to 73 and have the two void years of 4 + 4 for 81

I still don't know why they used void years on 10% of the contract other than they think he is young enough to get a third contract so only 4m will hit in 2029 and the other $4m in 20230

[dmac_bolt]

dmac_bolt My mistake -I thought his contract was 87/3 - it was 81/3.

So they get to 73 and have the two void years of 4 + 4 for 81

I still don't know why they used void years on 10% of the contract other than they think he is young enough to get a third contract so only 4m will hit in 2029 and the other $4m in 20230

Thx - I was confused lol. Void years should b punishable by incarceration - LOCK EM UP!

[Bolt4Knob]

Thx - I was confused lol. Void years should b punishable by incarceration - LOCK EM UP!

The NFL cap is why if you can kick the can down the road, within reason, do it. I used to think try to get ahead of it. Forget that nonsense. Like with Tuli, no need to front load it, push it down the road if you can.

[dmac_bolt]

The NFL cap is why if you can kick the can down the road, within reason, do it. I used to think try to get ahead of it. Forget that nonsense. Like with Tuli, no need to front load it, push it down the road if you can.

Spreading cap across a contract is one thing, teams can take the risks they want to take. But Cap is supposed to reflect the cost of the player over the time he’s on your team. Void years by definition are years he is not on the team. Spreading the cost of a player to multiple years after he’s long gone is in my view a form of accounting fraud - it is a stain on the NFL Shield I will not be swayed from my campaign to rid this great sport of this illicit plague

[Bolt4Knob]

Spreading cap across a contract is one thing, teams can take the risks they want to take. But Cap is supposed to reflect the cost of the player over the time he’s on your team. Void years by definition are years he is not on the team. Spreading the cost of a player to multiple years after he’s long gone is in my view a form of accounting fraud - it is a stain on the NFL Shield I will not be swayed from my campaign to rid this great sport of this illicit plague

I don't disagree. I also think cap hits should be APY based. But to your point, if you sign a 4 year 40m contract - the 40m should be spread over 4 years. Like Zion has a 23m void or something. Which is almost half the value of his contract

[Topcat]

As soon as I saw that lame Fanatics Flag Football game on TV, I immediately thought, wow, hope nobody gets injured...and look:

https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/c...ll-game-video/