Justin Herbert vs Jordan Love

[Boltjolt]

My question is why listen to talking heads?
Is it not better to do your own research, film study, and have measurable system to equally determine a prospects viability?
I could give 2 fucks when guys like Mike Greenberg, for example, have an opinion on a prospect. He, like most of them, have shit knowledge other than stats. Kipper was mentioned recently as another fuckhead that is a complete shitshow as an NFL talent evaluator.
Everyone should do his own film study and develop your own views on prospects. Parroting pundits is a fool’s errand.

Charge - this is not meant for you specifically. Just wanted to clarify so ambassador beach doesn’t think I was deliberately trying to hurt your feelings.

Couldnt agree more. Seems many here give creedence to what mocks by guys like Reiter for example do. Writers arent neccesssarity good at these things. They dont study prospects and Greenberg dont either.
He gives his uninformed opinion. Ive always tried to go by what i see. I dont see them all though. Too much time to invest that i dont have.

When we have a big need, ill look at those players but il admit, OL is the hardest for me to evaluate because for some reason, i cant concentrate as well on them lol.

And btw...these know nothing writers have votes for HOF candidates as well. Like WTF do they know about this? They wont vote for a guy because they werent nice to them trying to write a story (Bonds for example)....or they were 10 years old when Coryell retired and dont know shit about him.

[blueman]

Nah...just saying no logic to the argument....Rivers doesn't get a pass, he got worse...neither does Love.

Posted for Now There’s a Thought’s sake lol. Agree and agree, a QB is what he throws.

[Boltjolt]

Hebert and love have major flaws and if you watch complete games you will see lots of bad throws/deciisons, etc by both......... Hebert had a better team...... has the stronger arm.... Love has better touch especially throwing into tight coverage...... Hebert is a system QB...... Love is a gunslinger....... I would agree that Hebert is more consistent at what he does and does not do than Love.... so Hebert is safer pick by definition that if you draft hebert you have good idea what he is and is not......

Remember that Mariotta racked up massive stats at oregon and has done zip in NFL.......

We really need to trade up to 1st or 2nd pick to grab Burrow or Tua........ they are clearly a level above all the rest.....

I dont think anyone is a sure thing at QB. I do think Burrow is the closest and Tua can be good too but he is just so fragile. I didnt think Minshew would be much but he has shown beter than i thought s you never know.

Love played in the Mountain West. Very little comes out of that conference QB wise. Next to nothing really though Josh Allen looks like he can be above average in time but dont see a superstar. Dalton has been mediocre and Carr is a pretty decent player. Alex Smith has been decent but it took him years to get there. Jim McMahan was probably the best but dont think it was the MW back then. The WAC? Anyways those guys range from mid 80s to now. Not much coming from there.

So its always possible to have a stud QB come from anywhere but its rare in lower conferences and divisions (like Div II) and unlikely imo that Love will be that guy.
Was he as good a Derek Carr was in college? Carr never threw 17 INTs in a college season and Love isnt the only one to lose some players and coachs.
Studs will be studs no matter what in college. Their playbooks are nothing compared to the NFL.

Not saying he isnt draftable but hell no in the first round let alone at #6.

Romo is another that came from a small school and had good success....even with his small hands (8 7/8)

[PR#1]

The problem is that you have to be right.

Whatever QB we draft, we have to give at least 3 years to see if they will become anything.

If they are a bust, then we have to draft again and give another 3 years to see if they will become anything.

So the wrong pick of Love or Herbert will cost this franchise 6 years.

Or is it better to pass on a QB and take the sure thing like Simmons ?

:smoking:

[Boltjolt]

The problem is that you have to be right.

Whatever QB we draft, we have to give at least 3 years to see if they will become anything.

If they are a bust, then we have to draft again and give another 3 years to see if they will become anything.

So the wrong pick of Love or Herbert will cost this franchise 6 years.

Or is it better to pass on a QB and take the sure thing like Simmons ?

:smoking:

Of the two id much rather have Herbert. I dont want to pick Herbert at #6 but someone will pick him early if we dont. So what do you do? QBs with potentual always get over drafted.

[ghost]

I’m not disagreeing about Love but Herbert is far better a prospect on the field than either of the other 2 duck QBs. Does he have it between the ears, poise in chaos, deliver wins in big games, and the type of inner character to persevere ? No idea - which is why I decided not to rate QBs anymore.

I'll chat QBs anytime, friend. I've been a NFL junkie since 1977 season and I've got ProFootball Weekly subscriptions going back to the 1989 season. I've got QB grades on every QB that played in the last 30 years. I was a mod at the NFL Forum in 2004 and that was an epic year of QB talk.

As for the player, Herbert is not an Alpha personality. I know that about his mental make-up. That is a negative in his profile.



Blue Chip QB order in the NFL 2020 Top Ten

1 Burrow
2 Tua
3 Herbert
4 Love

I like everyone but Herbert. Raider and Colt fans think they are going to steal Jordan Love at #12 & #13 respectively.

[SYB]

Of the two id much rather have Herbert. I dont want to pick Herbert at #6 but someone will pick him early if we dont. So what do you do? QBs with potentual always get over drafted.

The only thing that takes a bit of the sting out of the idea of having to overdraft a QB, is how loaded this draft class is with talent.

[NoMoreChillies]

The problem is that you have to be right.

Whatever QB we draft, we have to give at least 3 years to see if they will become anything.

If they are a bust, then we have to draft again and give another 3 years to see if they will become anything.

So the wrong pick of Love or Herbert will cost this franchise 6 years.

Or is it better to pass on a QB and take the sure thing like Simmons ?

:smoking:

Simmons makes immeditate impact. This is the guy i want

[Lone Bolt]

I'll chat QBs anytime, friend. I've been a NFL junkie since 1977 season and I've got ProFootball Weekly subscriptions going back to the 1989 season. I've got QB grades on every QB that played in the last 30 years. I was a mod at the NFL Forum in 2004 and that was an epic year of QB talk.

As for the player, Herbert is not an Alpha personality. I know that about his mental make-up. That is a negative in his profile.



Blue Chip QB order in the NFL 2020 Top Ten

1 Burrow
2 Tua
3 Herbert
4 Love

I like everyone but Herbert. Raider and Colt fans think they are going to steal Jordan Love at #12 & #13 respectively.

LOL...yea, let em' steal Love....

[Sgt Schultz]

I have always worried that running QBs would get hurt. I wonder if Lynn's plan is to draft Hurts and run the three quarterbacks into the ground like running backs and draft a new 3rd to 5th rounder every 3- 4 years.

[powderblueboy]

LOL...yea, let em' steal Love....

If Bill Walsh were your head coach, all right then....if you had Gruden, maybe.

I don't think i'm going out on a limb by saying Anthony Lynn doesn't have much of a track record in developing quarterbacks.

[21&500]

I have always worried that running QBs would get hurt. I wonder if Lynn's plan is to draft Hurts and run the three quarterbacks into the ground like running backs and draft a new 3rd to 5th rounder every 3- 4 years.

Not necessarily a bad strategy.
I think in general people have to give up the romanticized idea of having 1 qb for 15 years
that’s a lot to ask from a single pick, even a first rounder.
draft qbs, early and often I say
make them compete and utilize their athleticism
it pays to be trendy
Qbs retain value and it’s still and always be the most important position