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  • Steve
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    #97
    Tua and Burrow are much more refined QB. THey go through progressions, have a much better handle of how to throw players open and timing on routes. Both have played in pro-ish offenses and if you take it easy on them, don't completely overwhelm them, they can lead an NFL team from day 1 (or as soon as Tua is healthy).

    Hurts, Love and Hebert have the tools to be NFL QB, but they have to put their games together. None has played for a program that did them a lot of favors in terms of the coaching they got getting them ready for the NFL. They need work. You can't draft either of them and expect to start day 1 and not struggle. Better to draft them and let Taylor play, and see how things go later in the year. They need time to work on their mechanics, and learn to read NFL defenses. Maybe at the end of the year you can play them, but not in an important game that means something, not till they figure some stuff out.

    Hebert seems to have the most upside, but he seems to be the kind of guy who really likes to see his receiver break into the open and then throws. Very NFL of the 1970's style. I do think he flashes anticipation from time to time, and sometimes he can be pretty impressive getting himself out of mistakes. But he needs to do a better job of getting his feet into position, and getting the ball into position to get rid of it quickly.

    Love reminds me of Jamis Winston. He seems to go through his reads sometimes, and then he gets to the ball he wants to throw and then just says "F it" and throws it whether it is there or not. In 2018 his early reads where often open, so he looked pretty good. Last year, he made some mind boggling throws. He still flashed some ability, but you wonder how much of the decision making you can fix.

    Hurts is the wild card. When he was at Alabama as the starter, I didn't think there was any way he was ever going to learn to play QB. He was just a RB at QB. Now, he doesn't look like the same player. He still loves to make plays himself, but he seems just as happy making a big pass downfield. He has some mechanical issues, and needs to shorten his throwing motion so he isn't winding up to throw every pass, but he has improved dramatically from where he started.

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    • like54ninjas
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      #98
      Originally posted by Sb4Rivers View Post

      Your not an asshole, IM just frustrated with all the moving parts that just have not aligned for The Chargers and Rivers.

      ive been of the view that Lynn was never a great hire for Rivers and TT look to long to build a 12-4 team that got blown out by Patriots in PO.

      i have a really hard Time watching Chargers beat 7-2 packers team while chargers were 4-5 then lose to raiders the following week.

      look at our Drafts in past, we let LT go then draft RB in First rd. Gordon fall in same.

      I would love to hear your side of why chargers sucked this year excluding Rivers. Remember they fired Whiz who I believed was best thing for Rivers. I would think Lynn, Whiz and Gus were on same page in planning the direction of a 2018 12-4 team.

      thanks,

      and I do not show it, but I am happy for Rivers if he gets another shot.
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      • gzubeck
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        #99
        Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

        I love Phil. If he gets a ring, as long as not against us, I’ll be ecstatic for him and his family!

        The Bolts have let me down more times than I can fathom. I enjoy the ride each season even as my heart is broken yet again. New year brings about my eternal optimism.
        I would feel pain for about 5 seconds as a charger fan. But, since I've been complaining for a decade about the oline a self satisfactory feeling of "I told you so" Might be quite fulfilling in it's own way!
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        • blueman
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          #100
          Originally posted by Steve View Post
          Tua and Burrow are much more refined QB. THey go through progressions, have a much better handle of how to throw players open and timing on routes. Both have played in pro-ish offenses and if you take it easy on them, don't completely overwhelm them, they can lead an NFL team from day 1 (or as soon as Tua is healthy).

          Hurts, Love and Hebert have the tools to be NFL QB, but they have to put their games together. None has played for a program that did them a lot of favors in terms of the coaching they got getting them ready for the NFL. They need work. You can't draft either of them and expect to start day 1 and not struggle. Better to draft them and let Taylor play, and see how things go later in the year. They need time to work on their mechanics, and learn to read NFL defenses. Maybe at the end of the year you can play them, but not in an important game that means something, not till they figure some stuff out.

          Hebert seems to have the most upside, but he seems to be the kind of guy who really likes to see his receiver break into the open and then throws. Very NFL of the 1970's style. I do think he flashes anticipation from time to time, and sometimes he can be pretty impressive getting himself out of mistakes. But he needs to do a better job of getting his feet into position, and getting the ball into position to get rid of it quickly.

          Love reminds me of Jamis Winston. He seems to go through his reads sometimes, and then he gets to the ball he wants to throw and then just says "F it" and throws it whether it is there or not. In 2018 his early reads where often open, so he looked pretty good. Last year, he made some mind boggling throws. He still flashed some ability, but you wonder how much of the decision making you can fix.

          Hurts is the wild card. When he was at Alabama as the starter, I didn't think there was any way he was ever going to learn to play QB. He was just a RB at QB. Now, he doesn't look like the same player. He still loves to make plays himself, but he seems just as happy making a big pass downfield. He has some mechanical issues, and needs to shorten his throwing motion so he isn't winding up to throw every pass, but he has improved dramatically from where he started.
          Yeah, if you’re looking for a QB who has shown significant growth while at the same time producing at the highest level...Hurts. That ability to learn and develop his game makes me think he can succeed at the next level, not so sure about the other two regardless of physical attributes. Tua is already way ahead, if cleared on Medicaid I’d do whatever trade to get him. At least today lol.

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          • dmac_bolt
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            #101
            Originally posted by alex8080 View Post
            herbert also had one of the best off lines in ncaa (arguably). still only threw 7yds>. that being said, lac probably trades up for tua or waits until next year
            Why isn’t anyone here talking about drafting any of his linemen?
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            • like54ninjas
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              #102
              Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

              Why isn’t anyone here talking about drafting any of his linemen?
              Solid IOL prospects but no OT talent until Sewell next year.
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              • Gwynning_Spirit
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                #103
                Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

                Solid IOL prospects but no OT talent until Sewell next year.
                Do you think throck, hansen & lemieux are worth a look?
                If this has been covered elsewhere, please redirect me.

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                • Lone Bolt
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                  #104
                  Originally posted by Steve View Post
                  Tua and Burrow are much more refined QB. THey go through progressions, have a much better handle of how to throw players open and timing on routes. Both have played in pro-ish offenses and if you take it easy on them, don't completely overwhelm them, they can lead an NFL team from day 1 (or as soon as Tua is healthy).

                  Hurts, Love and Hebert have the tools to be NFL QB, but they have to put their games together. None has played for a program that did them a lot of favors in terms of the coaching they got getting them ready for the NFL. They need work. You can't draft either of them and expect to start day 1 and not struggle. Better to draft them and let Taylor play, and see how things go later in the year. They need time to work on their mechanics, and learn to read NFL defenses. Maybe at the end of the year you can play them, but not in an important game that means something, not till they figure some stuff out.

                  Hebert seems to have the most upside, but he seems to be the kind of guy who really likes to see his receiver break into the open and then throws. Very NFL of the 1970's style. I do think he flashes anticipation from time to time, and sometimes he can be pretty impressive getting himself out of mistakes. But he needs to do a better job of getting his feet into position, and getting the ball into position to get rid of it quickly.

                  Love reminds me of Jamis Winston. He seems to go through his reads sometimes, and then he gets to the ball he wants to throw and then just says "F it" and throws it whether it is there or not. In 2018 his early reads where often open, so he looked pretty good. Last year, he made some mind boggling throws. He still flashed some ability, but you wonder how much of the decision making you can fix.

                  Hurts is the wild card. When he was at Alabama as the starter, I didn't think there was any way he was ever going to learn to play QB. He was just a RB at QB. Now, he doesn't look like the same player. He still loves to make plays himself, but he seems just as happy making a big pass downfield. He has some mechanical issues, and needs to shorten his throwing motion so he isn't winding up to throw every pass, but he has improved dramatically from where he started.
                  Very nice "in-a-nutshell" breakdown...

                  Love to Winston comp is spot on...you cannot trust him, when the chips are down, to protect the football and make smart decisions...too emotional for my taste. Also hyped a bit past his actual talent, IMO. Ignorant media looking for the next Mahomes....
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                  • richpjr
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                    #105
                    Originally posted by Lone Bolt View Post
                    Ignorant media looking for the next Mahomes....
                    This more than anything. Some team will fall for it and will end up sorely disappointed. I just pray it is not us.

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                    • rikardo
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                      #106
                      QBs I would only draft Tua or Burrow with a top 10 pick.

                      I preffer a FA QB over Hebert or Love (dont like either one of them), draft LB, CB or OL at #6

                      My first choice is trade up with Detroit for Tua (#1 QB IMO)

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                      • gzubeck
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                        #107
                        My first choice is to trade up for Jim Burrows...Tua is a liability not an asset. Tua's laughing all the way to the bank as he plays two out of four years in his rookie contract and we get mediocre results in return.
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                          #108
                          Originally posted by Gwynning_Spirit View Post

                          Do you think throck, hansen & lemieux are worth a look?
                          If this has been covered elsewhere, please redirect me.
                          Shane is a top 60 prospect on my board.
                          Jake and Cal are draftable day 3 guys. Hanson has more upside, drive power, excellent handstrike placement/power, and a stout anchor. Limited movement skills are a huge issue.

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