Justin Herbert - Bolts Franchise QB Official Discussion

[NoMoreChillies]

Rivers is running the same offense he ran for 10+ years with us. Of course he gonna audible and find the open reciever, he has had 10 years practice. How good will Herb be with 10 years of the same offense?

[Chargerville]

My Bills fan friend was talking to me today… joking and slightly picking on Herbert saying “nice win but he needs to win a playoff game” which I agree and I really hope he does… but all I had to say in response to this was… I just asked him this question… I’m just curious, how many road playoff games has Josh Allen won?

And he was shocked to know that the answer was 0… so for starters, the Chargers/Herbert need to find a way to finally get a HOME playoff game (even though o know we don’t really have a real home field).

[dmac_bolt]

Rivers is running the same offense he ran for 10+ years with us. Of course he gonna audible and find the open reciever, he has had 10 years practice. How good will Herb be with 10 years of the same offense?

Rivers threw for 120 yards last week.

Many former and current QBs have been talking about the increasing complication of trying to read the coverages pre-snap as teams now regularly disguise their coverages and show fake looks before the snap. its not completely know but the rate has changed - Defenses do this a LOT more today than they did 10 and 20 years ago, part of the evolution of NFL defenses to try and beat the better QBs. It’s not the same game it was 20 yrs ago in Phil’s heyday - or so say these guys that break down the all-22s and say this. You’re a great film guy, let us know if you’re seeing any of it. Hard to compare ages without pulling out 20 year old tape and trying to count #plays but QBs say it is real and it is altering what they were being taught about pre-snap cover-reads vs pure progression approaches. Logical extension - this same thing would affect audibles

Rivers was great, he’s HOF some day. But I remember when he had great protection he was surgical steel. When he had ok protection he was well above average at managing it. But when he had really bad protection he was crushed and played hero ball like any competitor will try to, and he tossed up a lot of turnovers or threw it away. Folks tend to remember his best when he had his most support and forget the many years when he had much less and was not effective. Jmo.

[Boltjolt]

Rivers threw for 120 yards last week.

Many former and current QBs have been talking about the increasing complication of trying to read the coverages pre-snap as teams now regularly disguise their coverages and show fake looks before the snap. its not completely know but the rate has changed - Defenses do this a LOT more today than they did 10 and 20 years ago, part of the evolution of NFL defenses to try and beat the better QBs. It’s not the same game it was 20 yrs ago in Phil’s heyday - or so say these guys that break down the all-22s and say this. You’re a great film guy, let us know if you’re seeing any of it. Hard to compare ages without pulling out 20 year old tape and trying to count #plays but QBs say it is real and it is altering what they were being taught about pre-snap cover-reads vs pure progression approaches. Logical extension - this same thing would affect audibles

Rivers was great, he’s HOF some day. But I remember when he had great protection he was surgical steel. When he had ok protection he was well above average at managing it. But when he had really bad protection he was crushed and played hero ball like any competitor will try to, and he tossed up a lot of turnovers or threw it away. Folks tend to remember his best when he had his most support and forget the many years when he had much less and was not effective. Jmo.

Give Rivers some time to study defenses and he will figure those disguises out. He isnt a gifted athlete but he is smart AF

[ThorsHammer]

I am listening to the talking heads this morning and some of these nutjobs are just clueless. It's mind boggling.

I can't believe he's not being considered for the MVP. Who has done more with less? Who? The disrespect Herbert get's from the national media is starting to piss me off.

If it were Josh Allen or Mahommes playing 6th and 7th string O linemen. Taking more hits than any other QB and it's not even close, the media would be gushing and falling all over themselves.

[dmac_bolt]

Give Rivers some time to study defenses and he will figure those disguises out. He isnt a gifted athlete but he is smart AF

uh ok, although the point I thought I was replying to was that Rivers already knows defenses and is already the master of how to read them.

There is a very strong assumption held by a few here that Justin is deficient at reading defenses or countering them. I don't know that is true.

[JOJAX85]

I am listening to the talking heads this morning and some of these nutjobs are just clueless. It's mind boggling.

I can't believe he's not being considered for the MVP. Who has done more with less? Who? The disrespect Herbert get's from the national media is starting to piss me off.

If it were Josh Allen or Mahommes playing 6th and 7th string O linemen. Taking more hits than any other QB and it's not even close, the media would be gushing and falling all over themselves.

I'm convinced at this point that even when he Wins it all it will be because of th great team put around him and very little about him. Anybody other than maybe Josh Allen and our record is reversed. He never says a cross word but he still seems to get more hate than say somebody like Cam Newton, who cannot seem to stop making everything about him even after he's been kicked to the curb. Almost like he gets shit for NOT being an asshole.

[Riverwalk]

I am listening to the talking heads this morning and some of these nutjobs are just clueless. It's mind boggling.

I can't believe he's not being considered for the MVP. Who has done more with less? Who? The disrespect Herbert get's from the national media is starting to piss me off.

If it were Josh Allen or Mahommes playing 6th and 7th string O linemen. Taking more hits than any other QB and it's not even close, the media would be gushing and falling all over themselves.

I find it interesting you list “taking the most hits” as a reason to get the MVP, when in the past it’s been the prime reason why you don’t get it.

[richpjr]

I find it interesting you list “taking the most hits” as a reason to get the MVP, when in the past it’s been the prime reason why you don’t get it.

I think the point is the team is in the running for home field advantage despite the QB taking the most hits and how few, if any other QBs, would have 11 wins with what Herbert has to play with.

[Riverwalk]

I think the point is the team is in the running for home field advantage despite the QB taking the most hits and how few, if any other QBs, would have 11 wins with what Herbert has to play with.

Some would point out an MVP QB would be clever enough to avoid that many hits.

Not me, of course, but some that actually vote for these awards would.

[Riverwalk]

I didn’t call him a liar, River twisted what I said into calling him a liar as an argument approach. I said he’s not telling us the truth when he talks about mistakes in the games. Does that me he has NEVER audibled out of a bad play and the second play he used also didn’t work? Of course not, of course he has, every QB in history has. but thats not what River continues to say or imply is the key reason for losses. River repeatedly implies that Justin is the reason for losses because he should be changing every bad play call and design all game every game so bad plays never happen and when they do, it’s his fault.

I think that is bullshit. All are free to agree or disagree. For one, teams are disguising their coverage calls more, to the point that attempting a pre-snap cover read is often wrong. Multiple QBs are talking about pre-snap cover read vs pure progression as teams increasingly show a different look pre-snap than they actually execute post-snap, these have been posted in TPB. Minter does this. But more importantly, when 2, 3, 4 OL players play as bad as they have at times, there is no good play call for a defense that only rushes 4 and 2 or 3 of them are on him instantly. Justin saying “I should have done XXXX” is just what Justin does after every game and imo does not reflect the larger truth of how the game unfolded and who really wasn’t pulling their weight and how bad some of Gros route designs are etc.

Rivers doesn’t think Herbert is as good as I do, he doesn’t appreciate him as much as i do. Trying to flip it 180 to now I’m calling Justin a liar is a joke.

The only thing not surprising about your post is you called your own hyperbole bullshit. Thanks for saving the rest of us from saying the same.

[richpjr]

Some would point out an MVP QB would be clever enough to avoid that many hits.

Not me, of course, but some that actually vote for these awards would.

Most voters focus on stats and wins.

But we knew we could count on a reply focusing on the negative. Your streak remains unbroken!