When Does Herbert Sit? - Justin Herbert Discussion

[like54ninjas]

[chargeroo]

He's so smart and learns so fast that I wonder if he could end up playing a lot faster than we expect. I wonder what he's learned from our new QB coach?

[like54ninjas]

He's so smart and learns so fast that I wonder if he could end up playing a lot faster than we expect. I wonder what he's learned from our new QB coach?

Tyrod will have to perform extremely well to keep Justin off the field. Which I hope he does this season. Tyrod having big year will lead to a good contract elsewhere and another quality comp pick in 2022.

[chargeroo]

Quarterback Justin Herbert and the Chargers have come to terms, which is a fully guaranteed four-year rookie deal worth nearly $26.6 million with a fifth-year option on Saturday, according to NFL.

Think about that, even if he fails, he's worth 26.6 million!

[like54ninjas]

Quarterback Justin Herbert and the Chargers have come to terms, which is a fully guaranteed four-year rookie deal worth nearly $26.6 million with a fifth-year option on Saturday, according to NFL.

Think about that, even if he fails, he's worth 26.6 million!

If I only had youth and exceptional talent. At least not like those rookie contracts of a decade + ago.

Bosa just got a 100+ million in guaranteed money at 25 yo. I’ll likely never make that in this lifetime or my reincarnated one.

[chargeroo]

We have three mobile QB's now.. They should study Russell Wilson - he's the type of QB our HC wants.

[sonorajim]

Hero mode, good one. You don't need that type QB if the overall coaching has your players playing as a cohesive unit. Maybe pessimistic of me, but I see this teams gameplay this season looking as if each offensive play was practiced just ONCE during the week. I hate watching that unfamiliarity and execution with the play book. Like watching a pre-season performance during a regular season game. Disheartening. I'm hoping that's not the case with Lynn and staff on offense.

Tyrod / Herbert may run the plays as called without a lot of adjustments while under C.
The blocking looked confused a Lot last year. We added quality vets at OC Coach, RG, RT. Can they keep the streak alive?

[gzubeck]

Quarterback Justin Herbert and the Chargers have come to terms, which is a fully guaranteed four-year rookie deal worth nearly $26.6 million with a fifth-year option on Saturday, according to NFL.

Think about that, even if he fails, he's worth 26.6 million!

And just think we could have spent that on one year for a 38 year old QB! I think part of the reason why the chargers let rivers go is that the chargers could have drafted mahommes and possibly win a superbowl than lose with an aging qb. Buyers remorse might have been the final nail in the coffin for Rivers...plus...look at the money they can spend on the rest of the team for the next 4 years plus the fifth year option. Stright over all team economics here.

[chargeroo]

We all talk about Tyrod not giving up many picks - we could say the same for Herbert in his college career. I think Herbert's passes get there so fast that the DB has very little time to jump in front of the receiver. I hope he can continue the very few picks in the pros.

[Xenos]

Old article but reading little things like this really show Herbert's work ethic and dedication.

https://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/2020/01/after-successful-senior-bowl-what-justin-herbert-is-working-on-ahead-of-nfl-combine.html

It’s not as though Herbert hasn’t spent any time practicing working under center before his college career came to a close at the Rose Bowl. During last year’s Manning Passing Academy, he spent most of his time picking Payton Manning’s brain about footwork and five- and seven-step drops.

https://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/2019/06/peyton-manning-proud-justin-herbert-chose-to-return-to-oregon.html

Herbert said he talked to Manning specifically about footwork on Thursday, when the college quarterbacks worked at taking snaps under center, which Oregon hasn’t done.

“I was a little out of my element,” Herbert said. “I had to ask him about five-step drop, seven, three-step drop under center."

Even out of the pistol or shotgun, Herbert recognizes his footwork needs to improve and he wants to be more consistent, particularly in completion percentage, this season.

“Sometimes I hop around too much in the backfield,” he said. “Work on protections as well and shifting protections and making sure we’re covered up. ... We were playing really good football at times last year and we kind of fell off at the end. Talking to Peyton and Eli about things you can do late in the year when your body kind of starts falling apart.”

[Xenos]

Herbert worked with 3DQB this past offseason. Here's more info about them. A lot of it is about Jared Goff so I quoted the parts that I thought were relevant.

https://theathletic.com/1963759/2020/07/31/inside-rams-qb-jared-goffs-training-with-3dqb-and-whats-different-in-2020/

Founded by former USC baseball pitcher and coach Adam Dedeaux and renowned pitching/throwing mechanics and motion expert Tom House, 3DQB has, since its inception, attracted quarterbacks from all over the country to its campus each offseason. The idea is to blend four core concepts — functional strength and conditioning, state-of-the-art motion and mechanics analysis, mental and emotional management skills, and nutrition — into specific training plans that focus on elevating individual performance and sustaining long-term workloads and careers in America’s most violent sport.

The company attends to a variety of specific needs and age ranges of its NFL quarterback clients, who have included Goff and Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz (both QBs in their mid-20s), Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan (who is in his late 30s) and Saints quarterback Drew Brees and Bucs quarterback Tom Brady (both in their early 40s).

“I, we at 3DQB, take the training really seriously in the sense that there are specific programs we are putting together with these guys,” said Dedeaux, the grandson of legendary USC baseball coach Rod Dedeaux. “This is not a place you just come to work out. It’s not a place you just come to throw. You’re working on specific things. … Every offseason with these guys starts with, ‘What is it that you’re here to get better at?'”

I would say that’s another part of our role here is, if we encounter somebody who is not OK accepting criticism, that’s immediately something we have to work on with them. Because this is not a league where, especially at the quarterback position, where you can be thin-skinned or not open. We say, “Honest, open and willing to change.” If you don’t have that, you’re in the wrong place because the way I look at things is, in a sense, hypercritical because I’m very detail-oriented with how they do things and what their process is. If you ask anybody I work with, (they’ll say) I’m not impressed easily. They aren’t there to impress me. The only thing they’re there to do is to get better. … I hope, in a sense, that it drives them because there is always another level.

How can you tell, as a coach, when a guy’s “talent is carrying them” through certain reps or certain throws?

We have a model of what we call “biomechanical imperatives” and “biomechanical inevitabilities.” When we say that his talent is carrying him, it’s that it’s not necessarily the best body position that he’s throwing from, or the velocity he’s generating isn’t contributed the correct way — ground-force, torque and all of that — but they just have arm talent. They’re able to make up for bad body position, or slow feet, or bad posture, with their arm. The result might be great, but we know through experience of watching and developing these guys that the arm takes a beating. They may not feel it at all in May, but over the course of a long offseason … you get into December and you’re inappropriately creating velocity and/or accuracy, your arm and connective tissue and certain joints take a beating. It gets a little harder to make that throw at the end of a season. You don’t get as lucky. You don’t feel quite as great.

But when you do things right consistently over the course of an entire offseason and in-season, you’ll see our guys’ arms thriving into the playoffs or Week 16, 17, 18, because they’ve done so much of “doing it right” and it’s not so much relying on talent. How can we tell? Part of that comes from understanding those biomechanical imperatives: This is what has to happen for you to be efficient. Your feet don’t have to be perfectly aligned, but your posture, your rotation and your kinematic sequencing has to be on-point. And here’s how you do that. Those types of things have to be there behind the throws.

[wu-dai clan]

Herbert is certainly throwing the ball well,
and growing as a potential leader.

We don't want to rush this, do we ?