When Does Herbert Sit? - Justin Herbert Discussion

[Xenos]

I think people are seriously underestimating Tyrod Taylor. Is he elite? No. But he is much better than average and can take a team deep in the postseason if the pieces are around him which, aside from a OT and a speedy CB, I think they are. He won’t make many mistakes and with the weapons and D around him that he has lacked in the past, I expect big things this season.
Let Herbert sit, learn and prepare. If he is going have a shot to be great for us, let him come in with more confidence and more prep behind him. Help get some of the mental mistakes and speed of the games issues out of the way.

He's fine as a game manager. I would say he's like a shorter version of Alex Smith. He can win you games if you have a strong running game, and his conservative nature allows him to not make too many mistakes. We can win against the weaker teams, possibly even average team like Denver and the Raiders (based on last season only). Just don't expect to win in a shootout against the better teams.

I don't necessarily know if I like having Herbert learn from Tyrod simply because the latter's weaknesses are what we want Herbert to be better at (consistent accuracy, anticipation throws, using the middle of the field). But I suppose that's why it's not the job of a QB to train a rookie. It's the job of the coaching staff.

[Hadl2Alworth]

He's fine as a game manager. I would say he's like a shorter version of Alex Smith. He can win you games if you have a strong running game, and his conservative nature allows him to not make too many mistakes. We can win against the weaker teams, possibly even average team like Denver and the Raiders (based on last season only). Just don't expect to win in a shootout against the better teams.

I don't necessarily know if I like having Herbert learn from Tyrod simply because the latter's weaknesses are what we want Herbert to be better at (consistent accuracy, anticipation throws, using the middle of the field). But I suppose that's why it's not the job of a QB to train a rookie. It's the job of the coaching staff.

Seems like a better than average ground attack is the winning strategy for us. At least with Taylor. Keep the ball out of the other guys hands for big chunks of time so we don't get in shootouts.

[Coachmarkos]

I think Tyrod gets hurt at some point. That's just my guess.

If it's really early, we may see Stick... later in the season, Herbert will go in there.

[Panamamike]

He's fine as a game manager. I would say he's like a shorter version of Alex Smith. He can win you games if you have a strong running game, and his conservative nature allows him to not make too many mistakes. We can win against the weaker teams, possibly even average team like Denver and the Raiders (based on last season only). Just don't expect to win in a shootout against the better teams.

I don't necessarily know if I like having Herbert learn from Tyrod simply because the latter's weaknesses are what we want Herbert to be better at (consistent accuracy, anticipation throws, using the middle of the field). But I suppose that's why it's not the job of a QB to train a rookie. It's the job of the coaching staff.

Think it is more learn how to be a pro. Work ethic, film study, physical and mental preperation, etc etc. Not necessarily model your game after.

[Hadl2Alworth]

Just thought of something...what if Taylor's aversion towards throwing over the middle isn't that he can't do it well but that it's part of his strategy? Basically if defenses play Taylor's tendencies then they'll be around the sidelines and that opens up the middle of the field for Taylor to run through! That seems pretty smart. Of course if you need to live off your QB running the ball then you're probably asking for trouble - eventually.

[richpjr]

Tua 4.3%
Hurts 5.0%
Burrow 5.1%
Love 14.1%
Herbert 18.1%

I have no idea if Herbert will or won't work out, but why in the world would anyone put any stock into anything Mike Renner posts? The guy never played pro football, never played college football, never worked for any team in any sport anywhere and went straight to work at PFF after college with a business degree. Not saying people can't learn and are certainly entitled to their opinions but anything a guy with zero background posts has to be taken with a huge grain of sand. If Daniel Jeremiah or someone with an actual background and deep knowledge posted this I'd pay much more attention.

[ChargersPowderBlue]

I think people are seriously underestimating Tyrod Taylor. Is he elite? No. But he is much better than average and can take a team deep in the postseason if the pieces are around him which, aside from a OT and a speedy CB, I think they are. He won’t make many mistakes and with the weapons and D around him that he has lacked in the past, I expect big things this season.
Let Herbert sit, learn and prepare. If he is going have a shot to be great for us, let him come in with more confidence and more prep behind him. Help get some of the mental mistakes and speed of the games issues out of the way.

Taylor doesn't have good precision. He's another QB who holds on to the ball too long because he doesn't make good reads, and makes it easier for defenders to get a sack on him because of it. Teams have film on him and know how to exploit his limitation.

In that playoff game against the Jaguars in 2017, the Bills didn't do much when it came to scoring. That debunks the idea that he can take a team deep in the playoffs.

Before Tyrod went down to injury in that game in 2018 against the Jets, he was doing awful. The home crowd was booing him.

Seems like a better than average ground attack is the winning strategy for us. At least with Taylor. Keep the ball out of the other guys hands for big chunks of time so we don't get in shootouts.

Our offense is going to be easier to defend because the balance will be weaker. Because of what I just touched on with Tyrod Taylor.

You have to be able to put up points to keep up with the good teams. When you have dynamic offense coming along in the league.

[Xenos]

Think it is more learn how to be a pro. Work ethic, film study, physical and mental preperation, etc etc. Not necessarily model your game after.

Good point. Mahomes mentioned how much he appreciated Smith showing him these things. Hopefully Tyrod can do the same thing for Herbert.

[Hadl2Alworth]

Taylor doesn't have good precision. He's another QB who holds on to the ball too long because he doesn't make good reads, and makes it easier for defenders to get a sack on him because of it. Teams have film on him and know how to exploit his limitation.

In that playoff game against the Jaguars in 2017, the Bills didn't do much when it came to scoring. That debunks the idea that he can take a team deep in the playoffs.

Before Tyrod went down to injury in that game in 2018 against the Jets, he was doing awful. The home crowd was booing him.



Our offense is going to be easier to defend because the balance will be weaker. Because of what I just touched on with Tyrod Taylor.

You have to be able to put up points to keep up with the good teams. When you have dynamic offense coming along in the league.

I wonder if it might be smart to spell Taylor for a few plays during games - with Easton Stick - especially if he's been knocked around too much. Give him time to recover so he can stay strong throughout the game.

[ChargingBolts]

A lot have already jumped on the Herbert bandwagon and I hope he's as good or better than Rivers or Fouts but realistically that's a tall order and he could be horrible like Ryan Leaf (great Wonderlic Score horrible talent?), or so-so like Ryan Fitzpatrick (another smart player) or a Stan Humphries or Fouts or Rivers, never know.

TT said today that if the Dolphins drafted Herbert TT would of drafted Tua and I could see all the same people in here that are slobbering all over Herbert now ripping him to shreds if he was on the Dolphins.

[Xenos]

A lot have already jumped on the Herbert bandwagon and I hope he's as good or better than Rivers or Fouts but realistically that's a tall order and he could be horrible like Ryan Leaf (great Wonderlic Score horrible talent?), or so-so like Ryan Fitzpatrick (another smart player) or a Stan Humphries or Fouts or Rivers, never know.

TT said today that if the Dolphins drafted Herbert TT would of drafted Tua and I could see all the same people in here that are slobbering all over Herbert now ripping him to shreds if he was on the Dolphins.

I can guarantee you that Herbert won't be Ryan Leaf.

Also I didn't like Tua because of his injury concerns. I also didn't like any first round QB outside of Burrows. Would have been fine with a 2nd or 3rd on a QB though.

[Critty]

Tua 4.3%
Hurts 5.0%
Burrow 5.1%
Love 14.1%
Herbert 18.1%

I need to know more.
uncatchable off target throws to open target?
Is this just wide open clean pocket throws?

Tua, Hurts & Burrow had better WR. Do better WR run more accurate routes, be where they are suppose to be, adjust to poor throws much better, track them better. Does that impact percentage?

When the uncatchable throw was made how much pressure was the QB facing at the time. May be hard to hit open WR if there is a lineman in your face more often. Could that impact percentage?

How much do the numbers change if the QBs switch teams? Would Love & Herbert have develop better confidence and chemistry throwing to targets at Alabama & LSU behind better lines with better WRs?Could that impact percentage?

If the numbers do change if they switch teams, how much of a change? Slightly just 1-3 percent, moderately 4-7 percent, significantly 8-12 percent?

And why 5 -18?
What is the numbers if it was 4-20?

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