Is Rivers still clutch?

[Budsman]

IMO. your 1st sentence is what is intellectually lazy. To keep dismissing season after season of non-winning records and no playoffs and never assigning any blame to Rivers is what ticks off a lot of people who used to believe in Rivers and been making comments about him not being clutch or elite. It all comes down to the W/L and the team is losing far more than it wins with Rivers as the leader on the field- and continually saying "where would we be WITHOUT RIVERS?" or "we always have our best chance to win with Rivers out there" completely misses (and deliberately avoids IMO) the point: lack of winning and so many Rivers mistakes costing games along the way for multiple seasons now. He's proven he can't carry the team to wins. Is he done? Who knows- but not many claiming that here at all. Is his heart in it in LA now or could he prosper on a better TEAM? All valid for discussion. In the end it comes down to scoreboard baby.

Sorry, anyone who lays the blame for the last few seasons at rivers feet is either just trying to be cute or doesn't understand the amazing things he does for this team. To say he can't carry a team is a false narrative. Not many players in the history of football can consistently carry a team on their back. What Rivers does is give us a good chance to win every game and if you don't believe that then shame on you.

Rivers is not the problem. He had a bad game, stop knee jerking and overreacting. Baby just went out with the bath water.

[SDFan]

Sorry, anyone who lays the blame for the last few seasons at rivers feet is either just trying to be cute or doesn't understand the amazing things he does for this team. To say he can't carry a team is a false narrative. Not many players in the history of football can consistently carry a team on their back. What Rivers does is give us a good chance to win every game and if you don't believe that then shame on you.

Rivers is not the problem. He had a bad game, stop knee jerking and overreacting. Baby just went out with the bath water.

the title of this thread is "Is Rivers clutch?", not "Is Rivers THE problem?". I was addressing the former, and you are addressing the latter. The TEAM overall was better when LT was the focus of the offense, and there's been less division championships and less winning football since NOrv decided Rivers should carry the club with the passing game. Facts is facts.

[BlazingBolt]

Actually we only won 2 division titles when LT was the focus under Marty. Norv won 3 divsion titles after immediately putting more responsibility on Rivers. You could say McCoy's wildcard appearance was due to a late season surge from Mathews.

[SDFan]

Chargers were AFCWest champs 5 times: in 2004 (Marty w/LT) 2006 (Marty w/LT NFL rushing title) 2007 (NOrv w/LT NFL rushing title) 2008 (NOrv, w/Rivers, no LT, drops to 8-8 record tie w/Broncos) 2009 (NOrv, w/Rivers, 13-3 record, lose 1st round playoff to JESTS). So 3 of the AFC West titles came on the back of LT and the run game- 2 under Marty, 1 under NOrv. 2009 was the best year and record for the NOrv & Rivers combo, and the team has basically been flat lining and declining ever since even with HC changes- but Rivers still the QB for every game.

[OhioBolt]

Rivers is a good QB, but the last 3 years he hasn't been clutch he has very few comebacks in that period of time and when he has had chances to put the game away the last drive of our possession has resulted in turnover in downs, interception or Rivers fumble, then at best we settle for a FG to tie and not a TD to win and more times than not when we did get the FG we had the opponent come down on their last drive and win.

Rivers had all his weapons against KC and had time to throw. Brady has been with out his primary recievers, and Kronk last year and he won. Arron Rodgers has won with Jordy Nelson out last year no running game with a Wide Reciever playing Running back and a bad O-line. So Rivers isn't clutch, when the chips are down Rivers has come up short in come backs.

[Steve]

In what world does he really have "time to throw"?

Rivers is getting the ball out quickly and not taking sacks, but that is not the same thing as having plenty of time. Many of the passes are being rushed, and qualify more as being "just in the nick of time", than the implied plenty of time to deliver a pass.

I would credit the fact that we have only given up a few sacks to Rivers quick release more than to the skill of our OL.

[OhioBolt]

I have seen games where Rivers had absolutely no time to throw, but last week his INT's came under little duress. We have a crap O-line for sure. I look at what the Steelers did when 3 of their starter O-line men went down they still won more games than we did. Brady always wins which year did he have better reciever\tight end\ running back combo than we have and Gronk missed a lot of time being injured and they don't have a great O-line. Brady reads the defense quick just like Rivers, it is just a fact in crunch time Rivers hasn't been clutch. I am not saying Rivers isn't a good QB, but when it's been crunch time he hasn't come through.

[Budsman]

Ohio, he had a bad game every qb does including the great Brady and Manning the elder. Not one qb is perfect and I would posit that Rivers has more good to great games than bad by a large margin. Stop overreacting, it's bad for the acid reflux...

[Budsman]

the title of this thread is "Is Rivers clutch?", not "Is Rivers THE problem?". I was addressing the former, and you are addressing the latter. The TEAM overall was better when LT was the focus of the offense, and there's been less division championships and less winning football since NOrv decided Rivers should carry the club with the passing game. Facts is facts.

You chide me for not staying in topic and then go off topic. Maybe you understand why I went the direction I did. :smoking:

[Boltjolt]

As i said before, when the defense dont cave when he gets us a lead, he looks better. He got us the lead today but the defense didnt cave so it was NOT Rivers who wasn't clutch. He got us leads many times that the defense gave away.

[Budsman]

#Clutchiness

[Gwynning_Spirit]

total clutchiness ratio this game: 158.3

[Steve]

Prior to this, play after play was just mixing things up and trying to keep the defense off balance and just make a play here and there. It was pretty much all Rivers on offense the 1st 4 games, without much help on D or the OL.

The win against Oakland (and the Giants a bit too) was as much about Chargers imposing their will on the Raiders as it was about calling a bunch of disjointed plays hoping something would work. Rivers still didn't have much time to throw, till the Oakland pass rush got tired, but was able to dink and dunk early. Our receivers made a few plays so we could keep the game close and then keep going after them.

[whookimane]

No he isnt clutch / nor is he good

[Budsman]

Yeah he isn’t the clutchiest! Get rid of rivers and put in Clemmons or anyone! I heard Allen played qb in high school I bet he is better than rivers too! Rivers is so bad, he’s the badest.

[whookimane]

Budsman Rivers is better than Clemons obviously but that doesnt make him an above average qb in the NFL anymore. Sorry that the truth hurts

[oneinchpunch]

Rivers is no longer clutch. Pretty bummed

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