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  • Foxbatkllr
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    Originally posted by oneinchpunch View Post
    http://thebiglead.com/2016/04/29/cha...sco-draft-bad/

    Tom Telesco And The Chargers Just Aren't Good At The NFL Draft

    The San Diego Chargers just aren’t very good at this whole “drafting” thing. The team’s general manager, Tom Telesco, was given a gift this year by having the third overall pick when he knew the top two players off the board would be quarterbacks. Obviously the Chargers are set at that spot, so he had a wide open draft board with a ton of talent laid out in front of him. So of course, he did what he always does and royally screwed it up.

    Telesco took Ohio State’s Joey Bosa with the No. 3 pick, and while Bosa is a fine player, he is an incredibly awkward fit in San Diego’s 3-4 defense. At 6-foot-5 and 269 pounds, Bosa is not big enough right now to play defensive end in a 3-4, and with a 4.85 40-yard dash, he’s not fast enough to play outside linebacker. His ideal fit is as an end in a 4-3 scheme. So yeah, color me surprised with that pick.

    Can Bosa add 20 pounds to his frame and become a 3-4 defensive end? Sure, but by doing so he would almost surely lose some of the explosiveness that made him special at Ohio State. And if the Chargers actually plan to use him as an outside linebacker in their base 3-4 set, he’s just not a fit. Besides, San Diego already has Melvin Ingram, Jerry Attaochu and Kyle Emanuel rotating at those spots. If they plan to use Bosa as an end in their “sub-package” where they use four down linemen, that means one of a group of Manti Te’o, Denzel Perryman, Ingram, Attaochu and Emanuel will be on the bench. It’s just an odd choice all around, especially when the team had clear holes in the secondary and a need for another true 3-4 defensive end.

    Before I hear from people saying “Bosa was one of the top ranked players on every list,” let’s remember that scouts and evaluators make those lists from the perspective of a player being used to the best of his ability. It will be very hard for the Chargers to do that with Bosa unless they are planning to change their defense. I like Bosa and I’m not ripping the kid or his ability, I’m ripping the fit and the decision to take a guy who doesn’t match the team’s scheme with the third overall pick in the draft. Bosa will be a decent player in San Diego even if he doesn’t get bigger or winds up playing out of position. But at No. 3, with none of the best players in the draft off the board, San Diego needed to get a franchise-altering kind of talent. The Chargers didn’t do that.

    In his fourth year as San Diego’s GM, Telesco has shown he’s absolutely terrible at addressing his team’s most pressing needs with the right players through the draft. In 2015, he actually traded up to select a running back in the first round. That ball carrier wasn’t even Todd Gurley, it was the wildly disappointing Melvin Gordon. Gordon might wind up being a solid NFL player, but taking a running back in the first round is an incredibly inefficient use of draft resources, let alone giving away multiple picks to move up just two spots to select him.

    Telesco also loves to reach for guys. He clearly thinks he knows something the rest of us don’t and every draft he goes out and grabs players far higher than most experts have them rated. In the past he has severely reached for: D.J. Fluker (No. 11 in 2013), the aforementioned Jeremiah Attaochu (No. 50 in 2014), Chris Watt (No. 89 in 2014), Ryan Carrethers (No. 165 in 2014), Gordon (No. 15 in 2015) and Craig Mager (No. 83 in 2015). That’s an insane list, especially because he gave up a fourth-rounder to move up just seven spots to take Attaochu.

    Now look, some of those guys have been solid and may still turn out to have fine careers, but good general managers find ways to get the guys they want as late as possible and add picks, not subtract them.

    I’m sure Bosa will be fine, but at No. 3 the Chargers had a chance to take a perfect fit and/or a super talent. They did neither, instead taking a high floor/low ceiling guy who may have maxed out his ability.
    And the perfect fit that wouldn't have been a reach at 3 is....?? What, no suggestion from the author of what would have been a better player at no. 3 for the Chargers given that trading down was apparently not an option? What a helpful, well thought out article.

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    • richpjr
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      Originally posted by Stinky Wizzleteats+ View Post
      Is this author a Cowpukes fan?
      I thought it was bleedingmangina or whatever his name is now.

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      • bonehead
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        Originally posted by oneinchpunch View Post
        http://thebiglead.com/2016/04/29/cha...sco-draft-bad/

        Tom Telesco And The Chargers Just Aren't Good At The NFL Draft

        The San Diego Chargers just aren’t very good at this whole “drafting” thing. The team’s general manager, Tom Telesco, was given a gift this year by having the third overall pick when he knew the top two players off the board would be quarterbacks. Obviously the Chargers are set at that spot, so he had a wide open draft board with a ton of talent laid out in front of him. So of course, he did what he always does and royally screwed it up.

        Telesco took Ohio State’s Joey Bosa with the No. 3 pick, and while Bosa is a fine player, he is an incredibly awkward fit in San Diego’s 3-4 defense. At 6-foot-5 and 269 pounds, Bosa is not big enough right now to play defensive end in a 3-4, and with a 4.85 40-yard dash, he’s not fast enough to play outside linebacker. His ideal fit is as an end in a 4-3 scheme. So yeah, color me surprised with that pick.

        Can Bosa add 20 pounds to his frame and become a 3-4 defensive end? Sure, but by doing so he would almost surely lose some of the explosiveness that made him special at Ohio State. And if the Chargers actually plan to use him as an outside linebacker in their base 3-4 set, he’s just not a fit. Besides, San Diego already has Melvin Ingram, Jerry Attaochu and Kyle Emanuel rotating at those spots. If they plan to use Bosa as an end in their “sub-package” where they use four down linemen, that means one of a group of Manti Te’o, Denzel Perryman, Ingram, Attaochu and Emanuel will be on the bench. It’s just an odd choice all around, especially when the team had clear holes in the secondary and a need for another true 3-4 defensive end.

        Before I hear from people saying “Bosa was one of the top ranked players on every list,” let’s remember that scouts and evaluators make those lists from the perspective of a player being used to the best of his ability. It will be very hard for the Chargers to do that with Bosa unless they are planning to change their defense. I like Bosa and I’m not ripping the kid or his ability, I’m ripping the fit and the decision to take a guy who doesn’t match the team’s scheme with the third overall pick in the draft. Bosa will be a decent player in San Diego even if he doesn’t get bigger or winds up playing out of position. But at No. 3, with none of the best players in the draft off the board, San Diego needed to get a franchise-altering kind of talent. The Chargers didn’t do that.

        In his fourth year as San Diego’s GM, Telesco has shown he’s absolutely terrible at addressing his team’s most pressing needs with the right players through the draft. In 2015, he actually traded up to select a running back in the first round. That ball carrier wasn’t even Todd Gurley, it was the wildly disappointing Melvin Gordon. Gordon might wind up being a solid NFL player, but taking a running back in the first round is an incredibly inefficient use of draft resources, let alone giving away multiple picks to move up just two spots to select him.

        Telesco also loves to reach for guys. He clearly thinks he knows something the rest of us don’t and every draft he goes out and grabs players far higher than most experts have them rated. In the past he has severely reached for: D.J. Fluker (No. 11 in 2013), the aforementioned Jeremiah Attaochu (No. 50 in 2014), Chris Watt (No. 89 in 2014), Ryan Carrethers (No. 165 in 2014), Gordon (No. 15 in 2015) and Craig Mager (No. 83 in 2015). That’s an insane list, especially because he gave up a fourth-rounder to move up just seven spots to take Attaochu.

        Now look, some of those guys have been solid and may still turn out to have fine careers, but good general managers find ways to get the guys they want as late as possible and add picks, not subtract them.

        I’m sure Bosa will be fine, but at No. 3 the Chargers had a chance to take a perfect fit and/or a super talent. They did neither, instead taking a high floor/low ceiling guy who may have maxed out his ability.

        Wow..good one OIP...how far did you have to dig to find this gem....so let's see: a 20 year old has "maxed out his ability" sure
        Forget it Donny you're out of your element

        Shut the fuck up Donny

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        • QSmokey
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          Originally posted by bonehead View Post
          Wow..good one OIP...how far did you have to dig to find this gem....so let's see: a 20 year old has "maxed out his ability" sure
          Far be it from me to disagree with this writer, but I wonder who HE thinks would have been a "franchise-altering" talent @3? Ramsey? He left us hanging.

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          • oneinchpunch
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            Originally posted by bonehead View Post
            Wow..good one OIP...how far did you have to dig to find this gem....so let's see: a 20 year old has "maxed out his ability" sure
            Posner posted the link on Twitter. And it seems it's written by a Chargers fan.
            Hashtag thepowderblues

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            • Telesco on SiriusXM NFL radio right now.

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              • Originally posted by SuperCharger View Post
                Telesco on SiriusXM NFL radio right now.
                Summary:

                Yesterday was exciting getting to add Bosa, lucky that the trades in front of them resulted in QBs.
                Plan to start him out on DLine, we're in a 4-man front most of the time - thinks he fits us very well.
                Didn't deliberate at all, he was the #1 guy on their board the whole time.
                He was a consistent playmaker in every game they saw of him. Very balanced.
                Excited about what he'll bring to our defense (ability + attitude).
                Expectation for 2nd round - a lot of trade activity due to talent left on board. Telesco's been on the phone a lot this morning.
                No scenario where he could see them trading up, but down is definitely a possibility.
                They don't use the trade value chart, they use historical trades as indicators of what compensation should be.
                There's one guy they feel really good about in the 2nd, but don't know if he's going to be there.

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                • bonehead
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                  Originally posted by oneinchpunch View Post
                  Posner posted the link on Twitter. And it seems it's written by a Chargers fan.
                  hmmm .... some fan....thinks Bosa isn't a fit when we play more 4 man fronts than 3 man fronts....at 20 years old says he's "maxed out".....and he can knock the Attouchu pick all he wants but look at the LBs taken before ...Van Noy, Dee Ford, Marcus Smith, Demarcus Lawrence...LOL.........and after Attouchu.....Chris Borland and bunch of shit.....Attouchu is not an all pro but he was worth picking up at that point even if it cost a fourth rounder
                  Forget it Donny you're out of your element

                  Shut the fuck up Donny

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                  • blueman
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                    Good to see opie gave himself repost fodder if Bosa sucks, cuz that's the priority. Way to fling shit.

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                    • oneinchpunch
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                      Originally posted by blueman View Post
                      Good to see opie gave himself repost fodder if Bosa sucks, cuz that's the priority. Way to fling shit.
                      Its not my opinion. Im stoked that the Chargers picked Bosa.
                      Hashtag thepowderblues

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                      • blueman
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                        Shows.

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                        • oneinchpunch
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                          Originally posted by blueman View Post
                          Shows.
                          You're reaching. I never said anything negative about Bosa ever.
                          Hashtag thepowderblues

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