2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[charger1_sj]

We need a slot CB. No downside there. He did pretty well outside as well that I saw so the fact he can do both is nice.

Samuel fits in the slot. We need an outside guy that can go one on one with #1 receivers. Arnold fits that. I'm not sure why
so many people think we need a slot CB. We lost the two guys that were supposed to be our outside CBs in Jackson and Davis
who turned into a massive problems. Neither was a slot guy and the guys we currently have fit better in the slot than outside.

[Boltjolt]

Samuel fits in the slot. We need an outside guy that can go one on one with #1 receivers. Arnold fits that. I'm not sure why
so many people think we need a slot CB. We lost the two guys that were supposed to be our outside CBs in Jackson and Davis
who turned into a massive problems. Neither was a slot guy and the guys we currently have fit better in the slot than outside.

Because ASJ didn't play in the slot much. He was outside more often. ASJ imo has his moments and unless he turns it up this year he may not be back. When ASJ was in the slot against KC, Kelce ate him alive when Staley thought it was a great idea to have Derwin playing deep safety instead

[bman6555]

Just about 1 week away from the draft, and probably the smoke is very thick at this point.
That said with the rumors on Denver dangling Surtain to move up for a QB it could be a really exciting day for the Chargers.
If someone moves up to #4 for a QB we can take MHJ who is probably the best player in the draft, or if Arizona takes him at 4 we may have competition for our pick.
I'd prefer Denver's offer of #12 and Surtain over Minny's #11,#23 and another pick (unless that other is another 1st next year)
Heck even if the Raiders want to sell their soul with #13, and 2 future firsts it would make it even sweeter cheering for them and Telesco to fail (if that is possible).

End result is we're going to be walking away with multiple building blocks on the team while seeing what the JH2 team vision is.

[Fleet 1]

I really feel like Bowers would be so productive with Herbert in This Particular System that he has a bigger impact on games than a stud WR. And as down on QJ as i am...i promise you Harbaugh likely feels he can unlock him. He saw first hand what he can do against his Mich team. The kid needs to shine this season though. But with Bowers being the unicorn he is...in this system he is never coming off the field. He is not a typical TE that is just inline or flex/vert/move. He is also a WR trapped in a TEs body. Lines up XYZ. And what he does after the catch is probably the exact type of thing this team wants. He is a punishing runner. Harbaugh wants big powerful guys. His Mich team this season was smaller at skill spots etc but in the pros he will get massive and powerful. I just think this team is going to be in 12/13 so much that the need for 3 stud WRs isnt as important as having a monster TE room. And given what Bowers does at WR....we could have 3TEs on the field with QJ and its essentially 2WRs in this system with a guy like Bowers. And the idea of drafting a WR in the 2nd round to pair with Bowers? That sounds exciting to me. If we are in 2 WR sets less than 2 TE sets? 11 Personnel days are done for us. How is Bowers not a perfect option? I know we need OL. We need D. I just feel the best way to help a D outside of good players...is keeping them off the field so much. And an offense that CANNOT protect its QB....or run the ball....will never allow a high powered pass attack to even work. Long methodical drives with deeper stuff mixed in. You have to sell the playaction and have to run the ball well to make it work. Bowers helps in all areas of this. Its also not just a build it all this year thing for me this season. It will take 2 drafts and a big Free Agent offseason to build. I think we do well with just the better coaching...but i am still tempered this season. 2025 is that big year imo.

Bowers is a 100 catch 1400 yard receiver in this system and that starts early. Remember TEs are #1 or #2 receivers in Romans offenses. Bowers would eat big with Herbs. And i just feel like they would create a really strong bond with each other. Both nerds Both just high intellect cerebral guys. Im a rugby minded guy in a way...so i see the importance of smart players. High IQ types. This system will resemble that Rugby type of play imo. And Bowers is a monster 8 man. Critical to a powerful rugby team. Usually the main beast on a rugby team. Its all built around the line play and bigger guys who are more powerful runners than twitchy outside guys. Wingers in rugby. I know you are thinking why is Fleet bringing rugby into this...we dont know shit about it...but i think Harbaughs teams over the years are built like Rugby teams. From the inside out.

TE1 - Bowers
TE2 - Dissly
WR1 - QJ
WR2 - Adonai Mitchell or McConkey

That group right there with Herbert is deadly imo. Whatever we do im down for. I love the WRs. I still think if Keenan came out this year...and it was the upgraded version of himself? You get Odunze. When i think of players i dont just throw them in there without thinking about Herbert and the fit. The system is everything. And i just like Rome in this system with Herbert. But Nabers and that deep stuff and his ability to get open underneath help us a lot as well. Its really important for me to think about players in this specific system. We are not the Bengals. This is not a sling it team anymore. Its going to be based off the run game and TE play. And if there is a TE that also does around 5 other things at an elite level? Just the fit i like. Its about fits for me. Harrison would be hard to pass on. I probably go that route...but honestly in this system i just feel like a guy who is Inside/Outside dominant in the passing game helps prolong drives and beefs up a few areas on offense. Not just one. Block. Catch. Run. He does it all.

On the OL i think a guy like Fuaga can do for us what Sewell does for the Lions. Harbaugh will want to do a lot of power runs and off tackle runs and Fuaga would eat up defenders. I just like him the most in the run game out of all the OTs. But thats if we make the Vikes trade. Im not opposed to Alt at 5 as i think he is a very good overall tackle that fits what Harbaugh wants to do. Probably the best overall OT in the draft. Prefer we trade with the Vikes and target OL there at 11 if we are looking at OL. Latham isnt on that level in the run game imo. I do like him however. Just thinking run blocking dominance for our RT prospect. Rather have Bowers over Alt. Bowers wont make it to 11.

But the trade i almost want more than 11/23 is the Giants 6/47/70 for the chance at an elite QB prospect. And thats how im selling these QBs. You could definitely force the Vikes and Giants to compete for that pick. Jones is not the answer in NY. I think you could force the Giants to give up the 3rd this year or next. Take Bowers at 6. If you can move back and get in front of the Jets you might have a chance at Bowers still. But i think he wont get passed the Jets. Maybe even the Titans. He would greatly help out there as well.

I look at this roster build the same way i might if i was preparing for war. For combat. And i look at coaches and systems like i do generals and branches of the military. I understand we have a rocket armed QB. But we are not an air force type attack. Harbaugh and this system will resemble a ground campaign. Built around tanks and A10 Intruders. Close combat warfare versus jets in the sky. lol Bowers is a tank...an intruder...and absolute warfighter. We just drafted a jet. Lets get that thing firing. Its time for hand to hand combat and a ground war campaign. I feel like the best teams in the league are built this way. Dominant run and tight end play. Defenders that can cover jets while your ground attack just forces teams to submit. The fight is no longer about trying to outfly the enemy...its on the ground...in the trenches. Quick strikes and yards after the catch. Run run run and then take strategic strikes. Be so strong and fit...physical that teams just burn out.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Just about 1 week away from the draft, and probably the smoke is very thick at this point.
That said with the rumors on Denver dangling Surtain to move up for a QB it could be a really exciting day for the Chargers.
If someone moves up to #4 for a QB we can take MHJ who is probably the best player in the draft, or if Arizona takes him at 4 we may have competition for our pick.
I'd prefer Denver's offer of #12 and Surtain over Minny's #11,#23 and another pick (unless that other is another 1st next year)
Heck even if the Raiders want to sell their soul with #13, and 2 future firsts it would make it even sweeter cheering for them and Telesco to fail (if that is possible).

End result is we're going to be walking away with multiple building blocks on the team while seeing what the JH2 team vision is.

But with Herbert's massive contract about to kick in, aren't we better off with Arnold or Mitchell on a rookie contract for a few years over paying Surtain top CB money?

[Bolt4Knob]

Just about 1 week away from the draft, and probably the smoke is very thick at this point.
That said with the rumors on Denver dangling Surtain to move up for a QB it could be a really exciting day for the Chargers.
If someone moves up to #4 for a QB we can take MHJ who is probably the best player in the draft, or if Arizona takes him at 4 we may have competition for our pick.
I'd prefer Denver's offer of #12 and Surtain over Minny's #11,#23 and another pick (unless that other is another 1st next year)
Heck even if the Raiders want to sell their soul with #13, and 2 future firsts it would make it even sweeter cheering for them and Telesco to fail (if that is possible).

End result is we're going to be walking away with multiple building blocks on the team while seeing what the JH2 team vision is.

Allbright debunked that rumor about the Broncos using Surtain. Granted that was last week and stuff can change between last week and a week from now.

A lot can happen this last week. Chargers are in a good spot though. They have 5 picks in the first 110 picks. . Even if they stay at 5 - wouldnt be surprised to see a trade in R2 or R3 to get another 4th or 5th rounder.

[charger1_sj]

Because ASJ didn't play in the slot much. He was outside more often. ASJ imo has his moments and unless he turns it up this year he may not be back. When ASJ was in the slot against KC, Kelce ate him alive when Staley thought it was a great idea to have Derwin playing deep safety instead

Because Jackson and Davis were disasters. Samuel and Ja Sir are both 5'10" and about 185lbs soaking wet. They are slot guys.
Because our coaching staff were idiots. You don't put a 5'10" 185lbs guy up against Kelce. Slot CBs best fit against slot receivers
not TEs. Our best game against Kelce is when we put 6'2" 215lbs safety named James on him. We pretty much shut him down that
particular day.

With the lesser TEs we should use LBs. Oh that's right Staley didn't like LBs. With the better pass catching TEs we should use James,
another big safety or draft a better, bigger CB that can match up with bigger but somewhat slower TEs.

In short we need outside CBs that can go one on one, not slot CBs which we already have two that can play that position.

[charger1_sj]

Just about 1 week away from the draft, and probably the smoke is very thick at this point.
That said with the rumors on Denver dangling Surtain to move up for a QB it could be a really exciting day for the Chargers.
If someone moves up to #4 for a QB we can take MHJ who is probably the best player in the draft, or if Arizona takes him at 4 we may have competition for our pick.
I'd prefer Denver's offer of #12 and Surtain over Minny's #11,#23 and another pick (unless that other is another 1st next year)
Heck even if the Raiders want to sell their soul with #13, and 2 future firsts it would make it even sweeter cheering for them and Telesco to fail (if that is possible).

End result is we're going to be walking away with multiple building blocks on the team while seeing what the JH2 team vision is.

And you believe Denver is going to trade their All Pro CB to a division rival?
Then we'd have to sign Surtain to a massive contract. Why not just take one of the better CBs @11 in the draft?

[bman6555]

But with Herbert's massive contract about to kick in, aren't we better off with Arnold or Mitchell on a rookie contract for a few years over paying Surtain top CB money?

Surtain is on his 4th of 5 years from his rookie deal. 3.5 mil cap hit this year if we traded for him and 19 mil next year. His extension would only kick in 2026 (or 2025 if we want to lower that cap hit), but we'd have plenty of room then.
Next year Herbert, Slater, Bosa and Derwin are the only guys over 10 mil and Bosa expires after that.

[bman6555]

And you believe Denver is going to trade their All Pro CB to a division rival?
Then we'd have to sign Surtain to a massive contract. Why not just take one of the better CBs @11 in the draft?

Jarrett Stidham is their QB. Show me the last SB team that had a bottom half QB. If you don't have a QB you do whatever you need to get one.
Otherwise Denver wastes a year of Surtain and still is behind the 8 ball on picks and cap due to the Wilson and Payton trades.

[charger1_sj]

Jarrett Stidham is their QB. Show me the last SB team that had a bottom half QB. If you don't have a QB you do whatever you need to get one.
Otherwise Denver wastes a year of Surtain and still is behind the 8 ball on picks and cap due to the Wilson and Payton trades.

Denver is not a SB team and will not be a SB team if they get a QB in this draft. Their best bet was to keep Wilson, except that Sean
didn't like him. We get it, they need a QB. But giving up an All Pro CB to a division rival is not the way to do it. We got rid of Keenan
because of cap trouble, the kind Denver faces. But we sent him to a team out of the conference. If Denver offers up Surtain to us it
would be another stupid move on their part.

[Bolt4Knob]

Jarrett Stidham is their QB. Show me the last SB team that had a bottom half QB. If you don't have a QB you do whatever you need to get one.
Otherwise Denver wastes a year of Surtain and still is behind the 8 ball on picks and cap due to the Wilson and Payton trades.

I mean - it could happen they trade Surtain as part of the deal to get QB - I would think AZ would be enticed by that proposition - but if they wanted to come back up for 5 for MHJr - still would cost them 12, and their 2nd and 3rd rounders

Also, could the Broncos get more from Surtain if they were willing to trade him to another team later in R1 for a FRP plus future picks that could also be used in a trade