2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[blueman]

Concerning OL, seems for most it matters what side they play on, not all, but most (see our OL last year). If RT is a target, I’d want to draft exactly that. But no idea what JH2 are thinking (other than McCarthy is best QB this year).
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[dmac_bolt]

Alt is #3 overall at Ourlads.
Why try to disparage his talent level ?
The X factor of trade(s) ahead of us must be considered.
I am still waiting for people to come up with comments that show they have studied Alt.
At least you saw him slip on the carpet in Indy.
That is the extent of engaging in scrutiny that most including so called experts have conducted.
And a comp is about play style, not talent level, relatively or generally speaking.

Are OurLads distinguished too? Credentialism bores me, it’s a plague on our increasingly mediocre society. How is he elite in the same way MH2 obviously and visibly is? Ive watched more than a couple of his “highlight” videos, his scouting videos (which are more valanced). He’s long like your proto LT.

• he moves well, gets out to second level on rush plays and ND had him pulling a lot which is a bit unusual for OT and he did that very well. I’d call his rush blocking effective, not powerful. He seldom pancakes or blows out defenders, but uses his large frame effectively. Will that work the same against much better NFL defenders that are both faster and stronger? Idunno.
• In pass pro, he slides well, and that length is an asset in corralling speed rushers around the outside effectively. His weakness, if said, is he can get stood up and lose anchor against power rushers - he gets pushed into the pocket more than you’d like to see against college edge players.

But I’m not an expert OT scout, I’ve said it many times. How is he truly elite and not just a better than the many other good RT prospects in the draft?
teach us, el swami Maximus…your repeated shorthand reference to credentials is lazy and ineffective. You cite others here not dropping analytical comments, you are accused of the same. You must do the work yourself.

[Lone Bolt]

Vikings went to Seattle for a private workout with Pennix. Thats 5 QBs in play...if Giants trade up with AZ, which allows AZ to still get a bluechip receiver...and the Vikings still like the 5th guy...we are still alive for a trade deal...and can screw over Broncos and Raiders while we are at it!

[DerwinBosa]

Alt is #3 overall at Ourlads.
Why try to disparage his talent level ?
The X factor of trade(s) ahead of us must be considered.
I am still waiting for people to come up with comments that show they have studied Alt.
At least you saw him slip on the carpet in Indy.
That is the extent of engaging in scrutiny that most including so called experts have conducted.
And a comp is about play style, not talent level, relatively or generally speaking.

Rashawn Slater's player comparison was Jonah Williams, whom the Bengals switched from left to right tackle after they signed Orlando Brown last year. The Bengals didn't re-sign Williams, and he agreed to a two-year deal with Arizona, where he will play right tackle: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/rashaw...5-fd1a6fe0f889

According to the way some here are evaluating the current draft prospects, based on the player comparison, we made a mistake taking Rashawn Slater 13th overall in 2021. The same could be said about Justin Herbert, who was compared to Carson Wentz: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/justin...9-ce41d700202a

Or maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't take the so-called experts' player comparisons so seriously.

[wu-dai clan]

Are OurLads distinguished too? Credentialism bores me, it’s a plague on our increasingly mediocre society. How is he elite in the same way MH2 obviously and visibly is? Ive watched more than a couple of his “highlight” videos, his scouting videos (which are more valanced). He’s long like your proto LT.

• he moves well, gets out to second level on rush plays and ND had him pulling a lot which is a bit unusual for OT and he did that very well. I’d call his rush blocking effective, not powerful. He seldom pancakes or blows out defenders, but uses his large frame effectively. Will that work the same against much better NFL defenders that are both faster and stronger? Idunno.
• In pass pro, he slides well, and that length is an asset in corralling speed rushers around the outside effectively. His weakness, if said, is he can get stood up and lose anchor against power rushers - he gets pushed into the pocket more than you’d like to see against college edge players.

But I’m not an expert OT scout, I’ve said it many times. How is he truly elite and not just a better than the many other good RT prospects in the draft?
teach us, el swami Maximus…your repeated shorthand reference to credentials is lazy and ineffective. You cite others here not dropping analytical comments, you are accused of the same. You must do the work yourself.

What plagues our society is shooting the messenger because you don't like the message.

[blueman]

What plagues our society is shooting the messenger because you don't like the message.

Depends on the accuracy of the message.

[wu-dai clan]

Are OurLads distinguished too? I would expect someone who is intelligent and who is constantly talkative and goofing around here, such as yourself, to understand that I am being facetitious. However, let me say that Ourlads is top tier and detailed. Credentialism bores me, it’s a plague on our increasingly mediocre society. How is he elite in the same way MH2 obviously and visibly is? Ive watched more than a couple of his “highlight” videos, his scouting videos (which are more valanced). He’s long like your proto LT. So the comps for Alt are to Eric Fisher. There is one huge difference, namely level of competition. Regarding your personal jabs at me, I have pointed out several times that I am seeing impressive tape from Alt. I see no need for me to post my personal scouting reports whatsoever.

• he moves well, gets out to second level on rush plays and ND had him pulling a lot which is a bit unusual for OT and he did that very well. I’d call his rush blocking effective, not powerful. He seldom pancakes or blows out defenders, but uses his large frame effectively. Will that work the same against much better NFL defenders that are both faster and stronger? Idunno.
• In pass pro, he slides well, and that length is an asset in corralling speed rushers around the outside effectively. His weakness, if said, is he can get stood up and lose anchor against power rushers - he gets pushed into the pocket more than you’d like to see against college edge players.

Is the unnamed author of this scouting report "prestigious" ? The wording and editing is such to suggest that Alt should not be considered top 10. Of course you don't want to quote Ourlads scouting report on Alt : " Has to battle to avoid losing leverage but has played at a consistently high level." Don't downplay recovery as a necessary tool for all offensive linemen. But I’m not an expert OT scout No you are not and your disparagement is noted. This is all a judgement call and I call upon my half century of draft nerddom and obsessive study for guidance. I will be sure to share my thoughts in more detail, as you demand, as we get closer to the draft. The fact is, you talk too much when you would be wise to stay in your lane. , I’ve said it many times. How is he truly elite and not just a better than the many other good RT prospects in the draft?
teach us, el swami Maximus…your repeated shorthand reference to credentials is lazy and ineffective. You cite others here not dropping analytical comments, you are accused of the same. You must do the work yourself.

If I understand correctly what you've been saying, it is that Alt is just not that good. That is a bad football take my friend. We will find out, whoever drafts Alt, whether or not he is that good, or if he is disappointing, like the comp, Eric Fisher, picked #1 overall.

BTW it is disturbing that you would actually call me lazy, when I have years and years of knowledgeable takes. You on the other hand calculate trade value chart points, post it, and then give yourself a high five.

And so I respond to your misplaced personal attack upon me. You want to draft someone other than Alt. You see the pervasive, shallow, inaccurate anti-Alt commentary @ TPB and you shoot the pro Alt messenger. Pretty much sums it up.

[wu-dai clan]

I have studied Alt...highest floor LT in the draft. Hard to find mistakes in his game...but he is only tech sound as a run blocker...he isnt violent or dominating...and in passpro, its more about smarts and technique, vs movement skills/athleticism. Is he good? Hell yes...but he is a LT...and not really a nasty mauling type...which is how I like my RTs.

Wouldnt be disappointed with that pick at all...but got a hunch if its OT in the first, we may well opt for a different prospect.

Of course there is the aspect of "setting the tone" but a successful run block is a successful run block, whether it is violent, if it is a kiss on the cheek, or if just playing angles.

A long armed jolt, delivered with authority, is exactly what Alt has improved at '22 vs '23, and that indicates not just floor, but also ceiling.

BTW consistency is the single most important aspect of playing offensive line.

[Critty]

Run blocking isn't just mauling. If you watch Alt play, he can pancake, but you can also see him with what looks like minimum effort just turn a guy and seal him like he is opening the door for the RB. Right this way I got them walled off for you. Too easy. That what I like about Alt blocking ability. And if you watch him interview about his game. You can tell he also has a very high IQ for playing football, very technical about how and why you block it a certain way. Picks up stunts easily. Easy movement to pull and get out for screen game. Best football is ahead of him. IMV the floor for Alt is a very good starting OT and the ceiling is a future hall of famer.

[powderblueboy]

Alt is #3 overall at Ourlads.
Why try to disparage his talent level ?
The X factor of trade(s) ahead of us must be considered.
I am still waiting for people to come up with comments that show they have studied Alt.
At least you saw him slip on the carpet in Indy.
That is the extent of engaging in scrutiny that most including so called experts have conducted.
And a comp is about play style, not talent level, relatively or generally speaking.

I think the general consensus of the Alt haters here is that we are concerned with his anchor and in his ability to redirect himself, given that he has a high center of mass.
We've seen tape where he struggles at times with both issues.

We also are not overly impressed with his manning up and resetting the line of scrimmage with his run blocking.
He'd probably go best in a heavy zone blocking scheme.

Then there is the uncertainty with moving to the opposite side: the old wiping your behind with the opposite hand analogy.
Some are more ambidextrous than others.

Than, there is the perceived gap between the rookie and the incumbent:

Alt > Pumpkins

Nabers >>>> Butterfingers

Too many issues at #5.

The GMs at Ourlads can select him at #3 for all I care.

[wu-dai clan]

Run blocking isn't just mauling. If you watch Alt play, he can pancake, but you can also see him with what looks like minimum effort just turn a guy and seal him like he is opening the door for the RB. Right this way I got them walled off for you. Too easy. That what I like about Alt blocking ability. And if you watch him interview about his game. You can tell he also has a very high IQ for playing football, very technical about how and why you block it a certain way. Picks up stunts easily. Easy movement to pull and get out for screen game. Best football is ahead of him. IMV the floor for Alt is a very good starting OT and the ceiling is a future hall of famer.

I certainly subscribe to this post.
TPB has no problem visualizing any of the big four weapons making big plays.
Try visualizing the Chargers having a great offensive line on both the left and the right side.
Herbert would be able to roll out either way.
We could run either side, at will.
The pocket would be comfortable.
Do you really think Harbaugh does not see ALL of this ?

[wu-dai clan]

Jon Cooper, the head scout at Ourlads, was the long time head coach at Bdnedictine College. He has been at Ourlads for 23 years. That's right Ourlads is "distinguished", assholes.

Meanwhile, at least Tony Pauline likes Led Zeppelin
and
Matt Miller likes IPAs.