And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[powderblueboy]

I'm still intrigued by the WTF pick right in front of the Chargers.

Some GM showing he is smarter than everyone.

[DerwinBosa]

Speaking for myself only I'm not in the Brock Bowers fan club because of his Youtube highlights. I'm in the fan club because I look at his body of work (production) in college and the character of the player. Youtube highlights (tape) only confirm his production numbers from college. College production is really the only thing we have to determine the probability of a players skill set to transition to the NFL. There is the combine and pro-days as well as character but the majority is college production.

The reason Bower's production numbers are so high is because he is not just a TE he is a weapon. He can line up anywhere. He can line up over tackle, slot, outside and in the backfield. This makes it difficult for defenses to defend. People see TE behind is name and say well he can't the #5 pick because that is too high for a TE. Bower's should have WP (weapon) behind his name instead of TE (Joking..kinda). He is a mismatch nightmare.

I see a lot of post that use Kittle as an example as a late rnd pick that has transitioned very well to the NFL. The reason he went and most TE's go lower rnds is because the production isn't that high based on schemes and much they are utilized. Again, because the #s are low it's not as easy to determine how well the player will transition to the NFL so it makes sense to take them in lower rnds. For comparison I've posted Kittle's and Bower's production while in college. It's not even close.

Finally, the main reason I'm on the Bowers train is I think he is a perfect fit for what the Chargers want to do on offense. He can help block in the run game and gives Herbert another weapon. I also think he is a high character guy who is physical and is the type of player that the Chargers are looking for to help change the culture of the team.

Brock Bowers College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

George Kittle College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Kyle Pitts College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

I have no issue with what you wrote. It's your opinion, and I respect that. I don't agree with all of it, but Bowers is the guy you believe will be the best pick at five for us. I'm looking at other alternatives.

[DerwinBosa]

You guys are singling him out and keep mentioning him as we can get a good TE in the 5th round. You guys, not me.

He is an exception, not the norm as I've pointed out yet again. He wasnt very productive nor healthy in college is why he fell to the 5th.
It's why I said teams should wait to draft a QB in round 7 like Purdy.

And right, we will run 2 TE sets, have none to speak of but a TE isn't valuable. Got it!

I'm sure Harbaugh and Roman disagree

No, I'm not, actually. I've mentioned Travis Kelce, George Kittle, Mark Andrews, Jake Ferguson, Sam LaPorta, and many others who were drafted after the first round. That's why I asked why you were singling out Kittle.

Nobody said tight end isn't valuable. That's what you and others in the Brock Bowers Fan Club do in these conversations. You stretch the truth. It's obvious that tight end isn't as valuable as other positions, though. At least it should be.

[Chargers8491]

I have no issue with what you wrote. It's your opinion, and I respect that. I don't agree with all of it, but Bowers is the guy you believe will be the best pick at five for us. I'm looking at other alternatives.

I'm playing the guessing game like everyone else. I'm not emotionally attached to the pick so if the Chargers go in a different direction that's fine. I've said before that I think we all will be happy with the pick as long as they don't go off the reservation.

[Velo]

You can say that with any pick. No one knows how good these guys will be in the NFL. It's a crap shoot and you can only hope that your evaluations are spot on. Honestly, how do you know any of the OT will be good? How do you even know which which OT will be better for the Chargers when we don't even know what kinda O-line scheme we are going to be running?

This is true. But I will argue that OTs and pass rushers are more of a sure thing at the top of the draft than any other position. You are absolutely correct that its a crap shoot and you can only hope players drafted in the top 5 are as good in the NFL as they were in college. But that is why I don't advocate drafting at TE in the top 5.

[DerwinBosa]

Why single out just Kittle or “RB not named”? There are players at every position late in draft that nobody saw coming. The best WR rookie last year was, what , a 5th round pick? those are exceptions to the rule - everyone knows the stats that clearly show the later a player is taken, the lower odds he’ll ever be a starter and lower still odds he will be elite. Cherry picking after the fact by all sides is such a bore. Yawn.

Our counter-perspective is that the players at the normally top “value” positions that we need most don’t appear to be as elite as in many other years.

• Edge - we don’t see an edge rusher worth #5 in this draft
• CB - same - there is no Sauce Gardner in this draft
• QB - don’t need one
• WR - ok, I see that in Nabers, expect MH2 gone. Those 2 are worth #5.
• OT - we see the upgrade possible at RT, and Alt is good and a step up though not sure he’s the next All Pro. But he’s good, worthy of Top 5 pick. we just don’t see that as our greatest gaping need - appreciate others see it different. We see OC as the biggest OL need and OC is even less valued than TE. But Harbo and his staff will thoroughly assess what they got and if they decide RT is the position to upgrade, absent a trade down Alt or Fuaga will be their pick and I’ll trust them. I dont see Fashanu fitting Harbaugh/Hortiz ’s style, he’s not a powerful run blocker and not worth a Top 5 pick because of that - I’d take Fuaga over him despite the early expert rankings as Fuaga will maul defenders.

What other position is really that “top 10” standard position besides those 5?

Latu was a great college player against college blockers but he’s got T Rex arms. Huge question mark on him at the next level. He could be the next Melvin Ingram or he could be pro bowl. Could be wrong, nobody knows, but it’s there. And the medical question added on. Latu is not rated as best Edge rusher by a large number of analysts. There will probably be a great edge rusher come out of the draft, nobody is sure who that is. Everyone (well, except TPB minority) are sure Bowers is the best TE in the draft by a good margin, and a considerable portion rate him Top 5 talent in the draft and best TE talent in over a decade. He is a safer pick to most eyes.

Normally we wouldn’t take a TE at 5, we get it. Just looking at the board this year and what will really improve the Chargers. Everett is a FA, we have no legit TE. An all pro TE would change the Chargers, our two great offensive eras in modern times had a great TE. The best teams have a great TE. we think Bowers is that guy and we think taking a TE in Rd 3, 4, 5 is a risk of coming up empty.

I'm not in the groupthink that there are no edge rushers worth drafting fifth overall. There are three I like a lot and won't be upset at all if we pick one of them fifth if we can't trade down. (Trading down is my preference regardless, since I'm not in love with any prospect in this draft).

And please, as I asked someone else, tell me who these "scouts" are claiming Bowers is the best tight end prospect in ten years or ever. Mel Kiper, Walter Football, and the people on this forum are not professional scouts.

[gzubeck]

You can say that with any pick. No one knows how good these guys will be in the NFL. It's a crap shoot and you can only hope that your evaluations are spot on. Honestly, how do you know any of the OT will be good? How do you even know which which OT will be better for the Chargers when we don't even know what kinda O-line scheme we are going to be running?

I think with pretty good certainty...6 of the 8 receivers taken in the first two rounds look really good to pan out. Those are pretty good odds for the risk/reward.

[CanadianBoltFan]

I'm not in the groupthink that there are no edge rushers worth drafting fifth overall. There are three I like a lot and won't be upset at all if we pick one of them fifth if we can't trade down. (Trading down is my preference regardless, since I'm not in love with any prospect in this draft).

And please, as I asked someone else, tell me who these "scouts" are claiming Bowers is the best tight end prospect in ten years or ever. Mel Kiper, Walter Football, and the people on this forum are not professional scouts.

Lol you keep quoting Walter Football. You must visit there, I have never taken their opinions seriously and cant even rememeber last time I went there.

I would reccommend NFL Stock Exchange for draft discussions and rankings. Entertaining and knowledgeable, Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rodgers are excellent, They know thier shit, they watch film all year and attended the Senior Bowl and will do Combine. Two rising young stars in the NFL media world.

I also care what Jerimiah says though some on this board think they know more than DJ..I will take the opinion of the guy that does this for a living and has been paid by 3 NFL teams as a scout, including the Baltimore Ravens.

[beachcomber]

Zierlein does not think Bowers is gonna Pro Bowl.... let alone become an All Pro,

[beachcomber]

DJ & Lance both have BB slotted @15.

[beachcomber]

for the some of you who keep citing how many OTs there are early.... highly likely some of the RTs bust/disappoint,

[beachcomber]

for those that mention Bowers production as all that.... Nabers/Odunze are(much) better, and....

just coz Brock is the best TE in this class doesn't move him up to 5 overall.... it don't mean didley,

and just coz Everett is a FA doesn't mean we have to draft TE @5... (are we gonna draft RB @37.... let alone 5 ?? !!)