And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[Bolt4Knob]

Yea not opposed to trade backs and picking up either one but agreed #5 seems way to high for either Fuaga or Murphy.

Honestly, not sure how people can decide which Oline player is best when we dont know:

1) What the current thinks of the current players (Bad players vs bad coaching/schemes).

2) Have no idea what kind of Oline blocking scheme the current staff is going to run.

Thought it was kind of odd that Allbright mentioned Mims - even OL in general - to the Chargers at 5 when really, JH2 are probably really starting to get to work on the draft this week - at the earliest. I would think they have to figure out the roster and free agency before hitting the draft

I really don't even have a problem draft OT with the pick in R1 - I just want it to be a trade down scenario

I used to want 6 picks by R4; 8 by R5 and 10 picks total

Now I think I want 12 picks total and 7 by R4 and 9 by R5

Get the draft picks in - and get them playing, Mistakes and all. Only way they will get better.

[Chargers8491]

Thought it was kind of odd that Allbright mentioned Mims - even OL in general - to the Chargers at 5 when really, JH2 are probably really starting to get to work on the draft this week - at the earliest. I would think they have to figure out the roster and free agency before hitting the draft

I really don't even have a problem draft OT with the pick in R1 - I just want it to be a trade down scenario

I used to want 6 picks by R4; 8 by R5 and 10 picks total

Now I think I want 12 picks total and 7 by R4 and 9 by R5

Get the draft picks in - and get them playing, Mistakes and all. Only way they will get better.

I think they will be really active in trade downs in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rnds especially since they are high rnd draft picks. IIRC, that was the MO in Baltimore.

[Critty]

It seems like Bears will stick with Fields. They stick with HC.
I don't think brought HC back to reset at QB.
To me they are for sure drafting MH2.
They will likely trade down to #2 so Washington can take Caleb Williams. Patriots are very very likely to take QB too.

Draft starts at #4.
Cardinals pick would be available for trade to a QB needy team. If Cardinals make the pick at #4. Probably WR Nabers or maybe Rome if they think he is their next Larry Fitzgerald.

Chargers pick #5 if just 2 QBs have been picked becomes something that can be traded to the highest bidder of QB needy teams. This is the dream scenario for Joe Hortiz who seems like he wants to create more picks for himself. Now he can trade back once to get extra picks and still get a top 5 BPA of non QBs on his board.

If 3 QBs have been picked in top 4, I'm not sure pick #5 is nearly as interesting to teams. And Hortiz might have to make the selection. BPA is he stated philosophy And he wants to impose will and dominate. Who would that be?

[CanadianBoltFan]

if you or Harbaugh draft Brock @5, you miss out on Fuaga/6 (Zierlein) & Byron Murphy/13 (Zierlein).... not to mention squandering valuable draft capital as Zierlein doesn't have Brock off the board 'til 15, and....

don't know 'bout you, but really don't like the looks of the RTs @37.... (also like Fuaga over the either of Alt or Fashanu),

No at 37 I think Frazier at OC makes sense. I am ok with a tackle but if so i want a trade down from 5 for extra picks. Down to 8 or 11 for Fuaga, and if he is gone there are other first round options

[AK47]

DJ has BB falling to 15 but says he is a top 5 player in this draft.
Some players get drafted higher than they should be and others fall for one reason or another..... such as needs, system, coaching philosophy, or injury concerns.....

Yeah when you focus too much on say "positional need" or even perhaps "we already got that position covered" vs overall best talent available you may regret it later.

[CanadianBoltFan]

You can do that, I won't.

Jeremiah can be way off: remember that OT from Austria he touted as a 1rst rounder a few years ago?
Since he can be wrong, push back is warranted. It doesn't mean that people here consider themselves as scouts, which requires a considerable amount of training.

Respect people's professional training, but reasonable questions about their judgement is always warranted.

You never got a 2nd opinion on a doctors advice?

Drafting is not an exact science. No one, absolutely no one, is right all the time and that includes people like Joe Hortiz employed by NFL teams

[AK47]

same place MHJ lies.... ahead of some others.... that likely get drafted before/ahead of him,

MHJ....man. There's a slim chance he'll mall fall to #5.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Allbright had the Chargers picking Mims from GA - the RT

If thats the case - trade back - if there is the option. Atlanta and MN. I think picking Fuaga or Murphy at 5 seems very high. Where Bowers or Nabers - feels right

That's my point too. You want Murphy or Fuaga trade down. To me the 4 players that hold value at 5 are Alt, Bowers, Nabers, Odunze

[Chargers8491]

It seems like Bears will stick with Fields. They stick with HC.
I don't think brought HC back to reset at QB.
To me they are for sure drafting MH2.
They will likely trade down to #2 so Washington can take Caleb Williams. Patriots are very very likely to take QB too.

Draft starts at #4.
Cardinals pick would be available for trade to a QB needy team. If Cardinals make the pick at #4. Probably WR Nabers or maybe Rome if they think he is their next Larry Fitzgerald.

Chargers pick #5 if just 2 QBs have been picked becomes something that can be traded to the highest bidder of QB needy teams. This is the dream scenario for Joe Hortiz who seems like he wants to create more picks for himself. Now he can trade back once to get extra picks and still get a top 5 BPA of non QBs on his board.

If 3 QBs have been picked in top 4, I'm not sure pick #5 is nearly as interesting to teams. And Hortiz might have to make the selection. BPA is he stated philosophy And he wants to impose will and dominate. Who would that be?

If he has to make a pick @ #5, I'm guessing but as of now I think it will be either Bowers or Nabers/Odunze. For me those are the ones that make the most sense for the Chargers at this time. I would say Bowers is a higher need than WR but those two receivers are very talented.

[Bolt4Knob]

It seems like Bears will stick with Fields. They stick with HC.
I don't think brought HC back to reset at QB.
To me they are for sure drafting MH2.
They will likely trade down to #2 so Washington can take Caleb Williams. Patriots are very very likely to take QB too.

Draft starts at #4.
Cardinals pick would be available for trade to a QB needy team. If Cardinals make the pick at #4. Probably WR Nabers or maybe Rome if they think he is their next Larry Fitzgerald.

Chargers pick #5 if just 2 QBs have been picked becomes something that can be traded to the highest bidder of QB needy teams. This is the dream scenario for Joe Hortiz who seems like he wants to create more picks for himself. Now he can trade back once to get extra picks and still get a top 5 BPA of non QBs on his board.

If 3 QBs have been picked in top 4, I'm not sure pick #5 is nearly as interesting to teams. And Hortiz might have to make the selection. BPA is he stated philosophy And he wants to impose will and dominate. Who would that be?

Patriots taking CB like Arnold or Dallas Turner would be a good thing for the Chargers as that probably puts QB in play at 5 for a team to trade up. With a new HC - maybe Mayo wants to add to the defense. Patriots don't have any playmakers at WR or TE though. Henry is a FA - so both Bowers and MHJr can be in play

Cardinals seem like a lock to take WR

Bowers being taken by the Pats would be okay. Because 1 - -that means the Chargers didn't pass on him. 2 - opens up QB as I just don't see McCarthy yet as top 5 Qb

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

No matter how the first four picks of the draft play out, I think there's a strong likelihood that there will be a player remaining on the board that some team would be interested in trading up to get. STRONG likelihood.

The next consideration in the decision tree is this: Does any prospective trade partner offer desirable enough compensation that losing out on a single elite player is worthwhile?

The Bolts would certainly have a clear list of trade down targets. They'd have to do a risk assessment of their being able to get their trade down targets, given the picks the trade would give them.

Not sure how accurately we can predict the above listed parameters, in total. As the draft gets closer, and the combine and pro day workouts happen, we'll have a better sense of any 'rising star' that would impact the desirability of the #5 pick.

[Velo]

No matter how the first four picks of the draft play out, I think there's a strong likelihood that there will be a player remaining on the board that some team would be interested in trading up to get. STRONG likelihood.

The next consideration in the decision tree is this: Does any prospective trade partner offer desirable enough compensation that losing out on a single elite player is worthwhile?

The Bolts would certainly have a clear list of trade down targets. They'd have to do a risk assessment of their being able to get their trade down targets, given the picks the trade would give them.

Not sure how accurately we can predict the above listed parameters, in total. As the draft gets closer, and the combine and pro day workouts happen, we'll have a better sense of any 'rising star' that would impact the desirability of the #5 pick.

This is my considered opinion as well. I like the idea of Brock Bowers catching passes from Herbert and will be happy if they pull the trigger on him at #5.

On the other hand, I like the idea of trading down to accumulate picks in the value rounds of 2-4, with the idea of getting multiple players who can contribute as rookies.

Questions:

Would you do a trade with the Raiders for that spot? The Raiders are said to covet Jayden Daniels, with whom Antonio Pierce has a strong connection from college. What would you want from the Raiders in return?

If the Falcons want to trade up from number 8, do you think the Chargers could still get Bowers at #8? What would the compensation be from the Falcons to move from 8 to 5? What about the #5 pick for Drake London and the #8 pick?