And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[Bolt4Knob]

This is my considered opinion as well. I like the idea of Brock Bowers catching passes from Herbert and will be happy if they pull the trigger on him at #5.

On the other hand, I like the idea of trading down to accumulate picks in the value rounds of 2-4, with the idea of getting multiple players who can contribute as rookies.

Questions:

Would you do a trade with the Raiders for that spot? The Raiders are said to covet Jayden Daniels, with whom Antonio Pierce has a strong connection from college. What would you want from the Raiders in return?

If the Falcons want to trade up from number 8, do you think the Chargers could still get Bowers at #8? What would the compensation be from the Falcons to move from 8 to 5? What about the #5 pick for Drake London and the #8 pick?

NFL Draft point Chart has the value for the Falcons to move from 8 to 5 as the Falcons 3rd and 4th rounder. I think I would want a future 2025 pick - even say a 5th rounder just to sweeten the pot a little bit


Raiders: picking 13th - so thats moving down 8 spots and behind Denver, it would be at minimum a 1st and 2nd this year and probably future 2nd if not first, that is a long way to go

[Boltjolt]

I am a big Brock Bowers fan but after seeing the Chiefs - the Chargers are not one TE away. You list all the holes. I might be open to even trading back to MN - which is 11 - for the right value.

Atlanta - per the trade point chart would be something like 2024 3rd and 4th - maybe even get a 2025 4th - I don't want to match the point chart - I want a bit more

Minnesota: the value is 450 and Minnesota's second is worth 480 but I would even want another pick,

Of the two - I like the Atlanta - still get a top 8 pick and now would have 6 picks in the first four rounds. If they can get something for Bosa --probably be 7 picks

EDIT: One other option with Atlanta is Chargers 1/3 for Atlanta 1/2/4 and if the Chargers trade Bosa or Mack and do get another 3rd - I think I would be okay with adding the third to get Atlanta's 2nd and 4th

Im not giving away any picks so if we get a 2nd for trading down to #8. id call it a win. If they dont want to give that up, id ask for both their 3rds. They are the ones that want a QB....but im not trading away any of ours to accomplish anything.

[Boltjolt]

I didnt ask you to provide any evidence. Bowers is generally rated between 4 and 7 on draft expert boards. You said they are all wrong, and I only asked if you’re a scout because you yourself that threw out that credentialist mark of significance of opinion.

Congrats on your Harbaugh call. Cheers. I called for Herbert when this board was firmly against him. We all nail a scalp to the wall here n there, are we both pros now? Lol

Latu is an interesting pick, I’m not sure he’s going to dominate at the pro level. Shorter arms, limited current rush moves, but he’s relentless and powerful - he’s got a chance. Wouldn’t be horrible, if we are getting rid of Bosa and Mack then I’ve said edge is priority actually. As of today, we have two star edge rushers and zero tight ends so I see Bowers adding a lot more to the Charger equation.

I don’t know if Alt will be all pro, he doesn’t look like a dominating OT that some past top 5 OT picks were to me. Jmo. I have said many times I’m ok with picking him, so I’m not the anti-Alt guy you’re looking for.

I have never said its Bowers or Bust - I repeatedly say there are multiple good options and Bowers is just one of the good options

Fuck Mel, he’s a clown - he’s the anti-indicator, the best bet is to do the opposite of whatever he says at all times. I have no idea what he says in this draft.

Ive seen Alt go to 10 to the Jets. Ive no idea what we will do til we see some roster movement before the draft and FA'cy...which i dont expect much come from that. I just know we can trade down and still get Bowers IF he is their target.

[Boltjolt]

if you or Harbaugh draft Brock @5, you miss out on Fuaga/6 (Zierlein) & Byron Murphy/13 (Zierlein).... not to mention squandering valuable draft capital as Zierlein doesn't have Brock off the board 'til 15, and....

don't know 'bout you, but really don't like the looks of the RTs @37.... (also like Fuaga over the either of Alt or Fashanu),

I like Zeirlein but he isnt a standard id swear by. He has misses too.

Im actually not on a RT in the first round. Im more into getting a OG/OC or both. Id love Beebe, or Barton. id love one of the OCs if we dont sign one. Id be OK with a RT later. I think the middle of the OL is the bigger problem than Pipkins. Fix the middle, maybe kick Slayer to RT and draft a RT in 2025.

[AK47]

Im actually not on a RT in the first round. Im more into getting a OG/OC or both. Id love Beebe, or Barton. id love one of the OCs if we dont sign one. Id be OK with a RT later. I think the middle of the OL is the bigger problem than Pipkins. Fix the middle, maybe kick Slayer to RT and draft a RT in 2025.

This season when the RT got beat Hebert did a decent job running or passing while running.

When the interior misses key blocks Hebert often had no chance to run a play and took the sack.

[Chargers8491]

Im not giving away any picks so if we get a 2nd for trading down to #8. id call it a win. If they dont want to give that up, id ask for both their 3rds. They are the ones that want a QB....but im not trading away any of ours to accomplish anything.

You beat me to this. IMHO, the problem with the o-line wasn't the tackles it was up the middle. They center of the o-line was getting beat like a drum. The problem really started after Linsley went out. Center has to be top priority then 1 or 2 guards. I prefer they sign a FA center but not opposed to drafting one. I would be more confident with a center with experience vs a rookie. I would also like to see a guard or 2 drafted as well. I agree that those 2 positions are way more important than the tackle. It's also why I'm not keen on tacking a tackle in the first.

[blueman]

This season when the RT got beat Hebert did a decent job running or passing while running.

When the interior misses key blocks Hebert often had no chance to run a play and took the sack.

That’s why I put Salyer back at his best position, RT (guessing in a fair TC he beats out Pip easily, Pip was just one of Staley’s special projects, seen enough to not want any more of that). Leaves OG and OC. Upgrade upgrade upgrade!

[powderblueboy]

Why is there no discussion about the best tackle at #5.

Alt, Fashanu, Fuega .... ?

Brock Bowers is sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

[powderblueboy]

You beat me to this. IMHO, the problem with the o-line wasn't the tackles it was up the middle. They center of the o-line was getting beat like a drum. The problem really started after Linsley went out. Center has to be top priority then 1 or 2 guards. I prefer they sign a FA center but not opposed to drafting one. I would be more confident with a center with experience vs a rookie. I would also like to see a guard or 2 drafted as well. I agree that those 2 positions are way more important than the tackle. It's also why I'm not keen on tacking a tackle in the first.

Agree

Center is the one thing they can't do without.
No center, and your investment in Zion Johnson can be flushed down the toilet.

Problem with a vet center is that they tend to break down quickly.
Young centers who have played the position in college get up to speed quickly.
The only problem with a young center is if you picked a dud.

Pick an OT at #5, and your first two picks probably will be Oline.
That's a hell of a lot of investment in one position group.

[Chargers8491]

Why is there no discussion about the best tackle at #5.

Alt, Fashanu, Fuega .... ?

Brock Bowers is sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

This is just my opinion, but I don't think the tackles were the problem, it was up the middle. Chargers need a center more than anything and maybe a guard or 2. I think the oline is basically fixed with the new staff minus center.

Powder saw you responded to my post after posted this.

[northerner]

Why is there no discussion about the best tackle at #5.

Alt, Fashanu, Fuega .... ?

Brock Bowers is sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

fair point, but i think Alt seems to be consensus pick on the tackles.

also, i watched the highlights for Nabers and Bowers - i am less interested in watching a bunch of guys block. call me soft !!!

[Bolt4Knob]

fair point, but i think Alt seems to be consensus pick on the tackles.

also, i watched the highlights for Nabers and Bowers - i am less interested in watching a bunch of guys block. call me soft !!!

Bowers and Nabers are my fun picks

But if the team needs to go OT - I get it. Build that Oline, get a running game

Just prefer getting OT at 8 or 11 and not 5. I am being greedy. At 5 I want Bowers or Nabers