And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[SuperChargedRodney37]

Just want say that I think its a mistake to assume the Falcons are out as trade partners for a QB just because they have a 35 year old Kirk cousins.
I say it's realistic that they trade with us ahead of the Giants.

Only thing about that is the Falcons can't realistically move off the Cousins contract until he's 39 years old heading into the 2027 season. Any QB they would take in this draft would either be sitting for the next 3 years or forcing a very sunken cost asset to the bench. They would be spending almost $100 million dollars on their QB position for 2024 alone. And that's if they moved up to just #5. I'm not saying it's impossible but.....

[SuperChargedRodney37]

On the contrary, you are gutting a division rival of the assets needed to support a rookie QB and saddling them with this project that will ultimately fail and set them back half a decade. You are also getting a potential blue chip player next year with a top 10 pick.

Not necessarily. You're walking a high wire with a bucket of water at the bottom. Let's say it's McCarthy and coach is right about his skillset. Denver is dramatically improved and just misses the playoffs. You now have punted on a surefire Blue-Chip Player in the Top-5 for a 2025 mid-first round pick in what is projected to be a weaker QB draft. (QB's help with trade back value). That's a tremendous risk and why it's extremely rare those trades happen.

[Boltjolt]

Good point,
The rumors swirling in New England right now is they may really like McCarthy over Maye and may trade back to get in better position to get him. Could be a smoke screen but from what Coach Mayo and Wolfe have said about the traits they are looking for in a QB, McCarthy fits those traits better than Maye does.
I will say that if one of the Top 4 trade back, it will most assuredly happen before the draft, probably the week leading up to it. Once that 15-minute clock starts it becomes a game of chicken and harder to pull off the complexed deals.

Why would they trade back to get him lol. If that's who they want, take him at 3. If not he goes 5. Got to be a rumor and not a good one

[21&500]

Only thing about that is the Falcons can't realistically move off the Cousins contract until he's 39 years old heading into the 2027 season. Any QB they would take in this draft would either be sitting for the next 3 years or forcing a very sunken cost asset to the bench. They would be spending almost $100 million dollars on their QB position for 2024 alone. And that's if they moved up to just #5. I'm not saying it's impossible but.....

QB is the one position where rules are broken often.
I remember way back when, when Russell Wilson wouldn't get cut before his "out"
I realize the days of rookie QBs sitting behind a veteran QB are long gone but if ATL has a unqiue opportunity, they should consider it. Blank at thia point cannot over invest at QB.
Like said about us often, there is no guarantee that pick this high with Cousins at QB, I see them as consistently average to better with Cousins.

[Kellyb72601]

Just want say that I think its a mistake to assume the Falcons are out as trade partners for a QB just because they have a 35 year old Kirk cousins.
I say it's realistic that they trade with us ahead of the Giants.

Atlanta is paying Cousins a lot of money, has a defensive head coach, and a defense with a pass rush that has been horrific for many years if they don’t draft a quality pass rusher someone in that front office might get shot. A defensive head coach like morris will love Cousins because he won’t have to worry about the offense and turnovers vs a rookie with a pretty steep learning curve. Cousins was seriously playing elite football last year before he went down no reason to even think of replacing him for another couple of years.

Same with the giants - they played Daniel jones 3 or 4 years behind an offensive line that would make Telescos worse offensive line look good with no offensive weapons at all. They already paid the kid quite a bit of money but never let him play with a full deck. For the amount they invested I think they’ll wanna see what he can do with an actual NFL caliber offense. Daboll is also on the hot seat and will want to roll with the veteran to win now vs having to start a rookie.

Thus IMO any talk about Atlanta or the giants picking a QB outside of something really weird happening like Daniels falling outside the top 3 is them bluffing.

Minnesota has to know all this too and I’m sure they realize their only competition for the 4th QB is Denver and the ‘Fade.

[Boltx]

Just the way this dream offseason has gone...I fully expect MHJr to be there at #5 for us. I really do.

Question is...so we take him? Do we trade down? For me it would be a no brainer...not sure if Hortiz sees it that way though.

[21&500]

Atlanta is paying Cousins a lot of money, has a defensive head coach, and a defense with a pass rush that has been horrific for many years if they don’t draft a quality pass rusher someone in that front office might get shot. A defensive head coach like morris will love Cousins because he won’t have to worry about the offense and turnovers vs a rookie with a pretty steep learning curve. Cousins was seriously playing elite football last year before he went down no reason to even think of replacing him for another couple of years.

Same with the giants - they played Daniel jones 3 or 4 years behind an offensive line that would make Telescos worse offensive line look good with no offensive weapons at all. They already paid the kid quite a bit of money but never let him play with a full deck. For the amount they invested I think they’ll wanna see what he can do with an actual NFL caliber offense. Daboll is also on the hot seat and will want to roll with the veteran to win now vs having to start a rookie.

Thus IMO any talk about Atlanta or the giants picking a QB outside of something really weird happening like Daniels falling outside the top 3 is them bluffing.

Minnesota has to know all this too and I’m sure they realize their only competition for the 4th QB is Denver and the ‘Fade.

Sure.
AND when it comes to QB play, you can throw away any and all plans in garbage.
Defensive minded HC? Check
Paying lots of money? Check
Cap situation and plans? Check

But if they think Maye is the next Justin Herbert, any front office will gladly change course to draft and develop him.
we are so spoiled here with JH that we take for granted what he means for this franchise. We were on the brink of depending on Tyrod Taylor to keep us at .500 while trying to trade up every draft for a Mac Jones, or a Kenny Pickett, or an Anthony Richardson.

Also keep in mind, ATL specifically has 1 MFIC and its not the HC or GM. It's the guy who pays them.

[21&500]

Just the way this dream offseason has gone...I fully expect MHJr to be there at #5 for us. I really do.

Question is...so we take him? Do we trade down? For me it would be a no brainer...not sure if Hortiz sees it that way though.

I do too. And I think Joe pulls the trigger.
Joe understands that this is year 1 of a mini rebuild so while trading down will expedite the process, he's never getting a chance to draft a MH2 again, and this is a guy that even Minter couldn't contain (sure they won but MH2 did his damage).
Trader Joe is confident that the LAC WILL haWe a dominant OL and DL at some point soon under his watch, and they aren't depending on a trade down to do it. At least I hope not.
Optics is also a real thing, and the Keenan Allen situation/controversy gets squashed.
No one will blame Trader Joe for sticking at 5 and drafting MH2 even if it doesn't work out..

[CanadianBoltFan]

I do too. And I think Joe pulls the trigger.
Joe understands that this is year 1 of a mini rebuild so while trading down will expedite the process, he's never getting a chance to draft a MH2 again, and this is a guy that even Minter couldn't contain (sure they won but MH2 did his damage).
Trader Joe is confident that the LAC WILL haWe a dominant OL and DL at some point soon under his watch, and they aren't depending on a trade down to do it. At least I hope not.
Optics is also a real thing, and the Keenan Allen situation/controversy gets squashed.
No one will blame Trader Joe for sticking at 5 and drafting MH2 even if it doesn't work out..

How do you pass on the best WR to come out since Calvin and pair him with Herbert, whether you run the ball or not? Very good question. You can add to the OL this draft and every draft for the next few years, but you wont be top 5 with a chance to get a player like this for Herbert again.

[wu-dai clan]

Just the way this dream offseason has gone...I fully expect MHJr to be there at #5 for us. I really do.

Question is...so we take him? Do we trade down? For me it would be a no brainer...not sure if Hortiz sees it that way though.

This guy knows ball.
I bet he drives a Dodge Charger.
How many different ways does it have to be explained ?
Jim likes OL.
We play we-fense.
Or you can listen to Steve Palozzolo and say "we're good."

[AK47]

How do you pass on the best WR to come out since Calvin and pair him with Herbert, whether you run the ball or not? Very good question. You can add to the OL this draft and every draft for the next few years, but you wont be top 5 with a chance to get a player like this for Herbert again.

Was going to call BS on the Megatron comparison....then googled and found this tidbit: https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...r-WR-OhioState

• Elite athletic skills -- Made Bruce Feldman's 'Freaks List' at number 2. He wrote: "At 6-4, 208, the son of a Pro Football Hall of Fame receiver is remarkably gifted. He has everything. He’s very strong — he bench presses 380 pounds and did 20 reps of 225 on the bench and squatted 500. He’s very explosive, having broad-jumped 10 feet 8, and he’s really sudden, having clocked a 3.94 in the shuttle and improved on his max velocity from last year, up to 23.5 MPH. Asked for what training result he’s most proud of, he says it’s his 5-10-5, given his height and weight, yet still can run a sub-4-second time."

If he clocked 23.5 mph that means he's got Tyreek Hill top speed. Size, speed, and strength mixed with superior talent. Damn this is Galvatron!!!

[Boltgang74]

Yeah I love the idea of trading back for picks because of all the wholes we have Buuuuut who the hell passes on MHJ?I mean cmon man.