2025 Official Super Duper Mock Draft Thread - Opinions On Mocks | Pundit Mocks

[Jack Burton]

Statistically they were better!

You mean like “statistically” Ferguson has a really high drop rate of 10.4%? Is that what you mean by “statistically”?

What’s Mason Taylor’s drop rate? Since you seem preoccupied by “statistics…”

[Jack Burton]

If you are looking at production alone... then Taylor's numbers will not wow you.
But you have to understand that LSU consistently under-utilizes the TE in its offense. It's all about WR's @LSU. Also, their QB wasn't very good last year.

Now, if you look at his potential... hands, routes, versatility, blocking... then you will see a TE that can be very productive within Harbaugh/Roman offense. Often times, LSU went to Taylor in crucial situations. He can be trusted to convert down/distance/situation... and do everything he's asked to do. I've watched a lot of his tape (multiple whole games).

I've been pimping Taylor for 6 months+... way back when he was being projected as a 3rd rounder. I've always maintained that he would be great value @#55. Having said that... I wouldn't pick him @#22. I think there will be better (more impactful) players available @#22. Plus... I think some other TE's (Arroyo/Fanin) are better slotted @#55. Those TE's can be productive/impactful in this offense. They won't be as well-rounded as Taylor... but they would give Herbert a weapon we haven't had @TE for quite a while. They should take pressure off Ladd, too.

The reason I think he goes in the 1st is everything you’ve stated and add into that he’s only 20 years old. He’s really young and he’s already this good. Projecting him forward, he’s going to be very good by year 2 in the NFL. And he’ll only be 21…
Thats why I don’t think he makes it out of the 1st. Too
much upside to pass on as a long term answer at TE. You’ll have him for a decade and he’ll only be 30.

[electricgold]

You mean like “statistically” Ferguson has a really high drop rate of 10.4%? Is that what you mean by “statistically”?

What’s Mason Taylor’s drop rate? Since you seem preoccupied by “statistics…”

Stay on point! We are not talking about Ferguson and drop ratios! We are talking about Mason! You brought up TE's stats from another era.

I would be fine if we drafted either Ferguson or Mason! Just not in the first round. If we do draft Mason in the first round, so be it!

[Boltnut]

@TE: Tyler Conklin was a nice depth addition. But he was a cheap 1-year addition, not the future that some of these 2nd round TE's will offer. Both Arroyo and Fanin Jr. are more move-TE's than in-line... but Dissly, paired with a move-TE, would provide real issues for a defense. I suspect a 50% 12-personnel. Fannin Jr. would essentially be a 3rd receiver on the field in those situations. The offense would be multiple with Dissly (run) and Fanin jr. (pass) on the field at the same time.

Fannin and Ladd would/could work the middle routes or hit the seams that Roman likes to press. Both are versatile route runners (short/mid/deep) and must be accounted for @all 3 levels. Mike Williams is your deep threat that occupies another safety, presses the seams, and is a 50/50 target that would possess a lop-sided match-up target vs 1v1... especially vs smaller CB's. I think QJ is the wildcard this year. He no longer has to be the WR-X. With Ladd and Fanin demanding safety help... QJ will get opportunities across the middle (on drag routes) with wide open middles. Or in certain situations may get 1v1 matchups on the outside (no safety help)... where CB's are forced to play off-coverage. There should be many more opportunities in space for QJ... which plays to his traits advantage.

There may even be times where Chargers go 3-WR sets (Ladd, MW, QJ) and also have Fanin in the opposite slot from Ladd.
MW (6-4)... Fanin (6-4)... Ladd... and QJ (6-3) would present match-up nightmares for a secondary.

[OG619FrightninLightnin]

100%. But I think Taylor goes before our pick in round 2. I also agree that we may take him in round 1.

You could probably trade back twice and still get him

[Jack Burton]

Stay on point! We are not talking about Ferguson and drop ratios! We are talking about Mason! You brought up TE's stats from another era.

I would be fine if we drafted either Ferguson or Mason! Just not in the first round. If we do draft Mason in the first round, so be it!

I was so “on point”, I gave you 3 TE’s who had comparable college numbers. There’s never going to be identical numbers for players. All 3 had fantastic careers in the NFL and all 3 were justifiably 1st rounders.

[electricgold]

I was so “on point”, I gave you 3 TE’s who had comparable college numbers. There’s never going to be identical numbers for players. All 3 had fantastic careers in the NFL and all 3 were justifiably 1st rounders.

Since you brought up Ferguson's drop ratio and Mason Taylor. And used this example to downgrade Ferguson...

In his college football career at LSU, Mason Taylor had 7 dropped passes.

Ferguson is clean and reliable. He only has seven drops in his career.

It ain't always about stats & %'s! Again I think you may be thinking about the wrong thing! It's more about being a complete TE at the next level, as opossed to being a great slot receiving TE!

Harold Fannin Jr. had 1555 rec yards and 10 TD's in college is he going in round 1? Is he worthy of being drafted in round 1 or going in round 1?

[Jack Burton]

Since you brought up Ferguson's drop ratio and Mason Taylor. And used this example to downgrade Ferguson...

In his college football career at LSU, Mason Taylor had 7 dropped passes.

Ferguson is clean and reliable. He only has seven drops in his career.

It aint always about stats & %'s! Again I think you may be thinking about the wrong thing!

One is 20. One is 22. One had ONE! SINGLE DROP LAST YEAR. One didn’t….

You trying to pretend it doesn’t matter is laughable.
It matters. So if we’re going by “clean and reliable” whatever that means, Taylor is the “Elite” player.

As for Ferguson. Yeah, I like him too…..in the 3rd or 4th round….

[dmac_bolt]

Taylor is true flex TE that you can line up all over the formation and he’s a mismatch nightmare. 6’5” 255 and he runs good routes and has those great hands. Taylor has a drop rate of 1.8%. That’s ridiculously good. In contrast as I pointed out, Terrance Ferguson had a drop rate of 10.4% this year. As one poster pointed out, may have been because of the left handed QB.
I like the idea of MW-Taylor-Conklin-Ladd-Najee-rookie RB in some combination that opens up the field for Herbert.
I think Taylor solves a huge part of the receiving issues outside of Ladd. He’s so good at boxing out his defender(s) and presenting himself as a receiver. And he’s a serious nightmare in the red zone. One of the biggest pros I noticed about Taylor is his ability to get open down in the red zone where it’s congested. That mismatch in the red zone has to be considered with him.

Herbie doesn't throw puff passes, Fergie may have more trouble with him, not less. We'll need to resign Keenan just so he's here to tell Ferguson to "just catch the damn ball"

Taylor runs and moves like a flex, but he's big like an in-line. He could develop into the best of the top three, no joke man.

I'm still wondering if JH2 will target a trench monster at 22. IOL or IDL. Hey, maybe Popper knows

[Jack Burton]

Herbie doesn't throw puff passes, Fergie may have more trouble with him, not less. We'll need to resign Keenan just so he's here to tell Ferguson to "just catch the damn ball"

Taylor runs and moves like a flex, but he's big like an in-line. He could develop into the best of the top three, no joke man.

I'm still wondering if JH2 will target a trench monster at 22. IOL or IDL. Hey, maybe Popper knows

The longer this day goes the more I think Taylor might just be the pick at 22.
This is an extremely deep class at DT, RB and fairly deep at EDGE. You can get top tier starters all over this draft. Why F around when you can get a franchise TE who’s 20 years old and ready to go especially in the red zone day one and you’ll have Herbert’s go to guy for a decade?
And Taylor ain’t making it out of the 1st. He’s 20. He put up monster numbers at the combine and now again at his pro day. He has hands of gold and only has improved each year on a team that focuses on throwing to WRs until last year when they had terrible QB play.

Look at the back end of the draft, folks.
LAR, BALT, WASH, KC and PHIL.
They all have aging TE’s on their last legs, TE’s who are getting old and the focus of trade rumors or they need a TE. Taylor’s not getting past all these teams.

[Boltnut]

The reason I think he goes in the 1st is everything you’ve stated and add into that he’s only 20 years old. He’s really young and he’s already this good. Projecting him forward, he’s going to be very good by year 2 in the NFL. And he’ll only be 21…
Thats why I don’t think he makes it out of the 1st. Too
much upside to pass on as a long term answer at TE. You’ll have him for a decade and he’ll only be 30.

No need to sell me on Mason Taylor. He caught my attention way back during his Freshman year.
But the argument is about @#22... or even late 1st-round with a trade-back. He'll be very good... but probably not #22-good.

There are many prospects @#22 that will have greater impact.
Booker, Grant, Nolan...
The edge-rusher prospects...
Edge rusher position gets really really thin after the 2025 season (with Mack/Dupree free agents @season's end).
I'm not a proponent of WR @#22. Not a fan of WR prospects at the top. But I like the depth @WR later on in this draft.

[Jack Burton]

No need to sell me on Mason Taylor. He caught my attention way back during his Freshman year.
But the argument is about @#22... or even late 1st-round with a trade-back. He'll be very good... but probably not #22-good.

There are many prospects @#22 that will have greater impact.
Booker, Grant, Nolan...
The edge-rusher prospects...
Edge rusher position gets really really thin after the 2025 season (with Mack/Dupree free agents @season's end).
I'm not a proponent of WR @#22. Not a fan of WR prospects at the top. But I like the depth @WR later on in this draft.

But you can get a Tuli in the 2nd.
You can’t get a Taylor in the 2nd. He will be long gone.
You can get starting DTs into the late 4th of this draft.