Official 2019 Pre Draft Discussion

[Boltjolt]

As far as Juan goes, his instincts, athleticism, ballskills are top tier. He plays cautiously, a half tick slow after his read, as a single high but can get from far hash to sideline. Production is off the charts......13 INTs & 26 PBUs in 3 years. He has experience at CB, SS, FS. A multidimensional prospect that never comes off the field. Juan would give us an IMPACT starter at FS a PON & provide depth at every other DB spot. Homerun pick if he is there!

But he isn't good value in round 1. Possibly in the third and probably the second but not @ 28. The safeties I listed are all FS. A couple of high picks and then some 3rd-4th range round picks. I didn't list all the safeties I like because I don't think we are going to draft guys that are more SS or I'd have Abrams on there.
Rapp would be a good pick for us but hope we go trenches if the value is there. Don't want to reach.

[Topcat]

Agree, Thornhill would compliment James excellently. But at 28 I want a player who will help us defeat NE, a penetrating DT or top ILB would help us more IMO. That was where we lost the battle against NE, not FS. Keep Addae, draft beef or a stud LB.

^ This. It starts in the trenches, folks. Pressure Brady in pocket and Boss & Ingram zoom in to clean up the mess. Or, pressure Brady, and he unloads the rock earlier than he planned...incompletions, pd's and picks...

[like54ninjas]

But he isn't good value in round 1. Possibly in the third and probably the second but not @ 28. The safeties I listed are all FS. A couple of high picks and then some 3rd-4th range round picks. I didn't list all the safeties I like because I don't think we are going to draft guys that are more SS or I'd have Abrams on there.
Rapp would be a good pick for us but hope we go trenches if the value is there. Don't want to reach.

Juan is not a reach at #28. I have him s my #10 overall prospect.
Here are my notes on his evaluation.........

SR. 6', 205#, 8 3/4'' HANDS, 31 1/8'' ARMS, 40YD - 4.42, 10YS - , VJ - 44'', BJ - 141'', 3CONE - , 20S - , 60S - . Juan is a naturally gifted, instinctual, fast, explosive, ballhawk that has CB skills and is relentless. He has great feet, excellent flexibility, loose hips, natural movement skills, uncanny ball separation skills, makes BIG plays in BIG games, played all DB positions (CB/FS/SS), HUGE production - 13 INTs/26 PBUs/208 tackles, tremendous mirror skills, over aggressive at times/susceptible to double moves, eyes always have him near the ball, sees and goes on run fills, takes excellent angles, solid wrap up tackler but not a thumper, hand strikes in press are accurate/forceful, disrupts routes at LOS, can be a half tick off as high safety but has the physical tools so can still make the range - very coachable and will speed up with reps at position. Juan's value as a backend chess piece and our FS. His range as our FS is from far hash 2 sideline, can cover any WR/RB/TE M2M, coverage disguise/flexibility, enhance Derwin's impact, eliminate explosive plays, and generate TOs. IMPACT STARTER w/ELITE TRAITS.

[Boltjolt]

Juan is not a reach at #28. I have him s my #10 overall prospect.
Here are my notes on his evaluation.........

SR. 6', 205#, 8 3/4'' HANDS, 31 1/8'' ARMS, 40YD - 4.42, 10YS - , VJ - 44'', BJ - 141'', 3CONE - , 20S - , 60S - . Juan is a naturally gifted, instinctual, fast, explosive, ballhawk that has CB skills and is relentless. He has great feet, excellent flexibility, loose hips, natural movement skills, uncanny ball separation skills, makes BIG plays in BIG games, played all DB positions (CB/FS/SS), HUGE production - 13 INTs/26 PBUs/208 tackles, tremendous mirror skills, over aggressive at times/susceptible to double moves, eyes always have him near the ball, sees and goes on run fills, takes excellent angles, solid wrap up tackler but not a thumper, hand strikes in press are accurate/forceful, disrupts routes at LOS, can be a half tick off as high safety but has the physical tools so can still make the range - very coachable and will speed up with reps at position. Juan's value as a backend chess piece and our FS. His range as our FS is from far hash 2 sideline, can cover any WR/RB/TE M2M, coverage disguise/flexibility, enhance Derwin's impact, eliminate explosive plays, and generate TOs. IMPACT STARTER w/ELITE TRAITS.

Well yours would be the best I've seen. No others have praise this high and NFL.com ranks him a Chance to be a starter. At #28 we don't want a chance type player. We want someone to step in day one. TT said they want to really hit on the day one pick a d he isn't it.

I haven't seen much of him to judge and he didn't do drills at the combine as side from run and jump. No shuttle or three cone

Yeah he had 13 INTs which is nice but that safety from UCLA(tough time recalling names these days) that Denver drafted had 10 in a season and the next I think one or zero and was a bust. I mean he is a good player but not at 28.

[like54ninjas]

Well yours would be the best I've seen. None have praise thus high a d NFL.com ranks him a. Chane to be a starter. At #28 we don't want a chance type player. We want someone to step in day one. TT said they want to really hit on the day one pick a d he isn't it.
I haven't seen much of him to judge and he didn't do drills at the combine as side from run and jump. No shute or three cone.

Yeah had 13 INTs which is nice but that safety from UCLA(tough time recalling names these days) that Denver drafted had 10 in a season and the next I think one or zero and was a bust. I mean he is a good player but not at 28.

I'm never concerned about TV pundits rankings. If they were any good they'd be employed by an NFL team, well most of them anyway.
Medicals and interviews would be the information that I want but don't have access too. Film we can all evaluate on our own.

Watch his film. It will change your mind. Throw in his measurables and where do you find faults?

[Boltjolt]

I'm never concerned about TV pundits rankings. If they were any good they'd be employed by an NFL team, well most of them anyway.
Medicals and interviews would be the information that I want but don't have access too. Film we can all evaluate on our own.

Watch his film. It will change your mind. Throw in his measurables and where do you find faults?

Well I can agree with that some but it depends on who they are., I'm sure there are several teams that would want to employ DJ and the Raiders did employ Mayock. Not that Mayock said those things., just saying some of those TV guys or article guys could work for NFL teams and some have in the past. I also tend to believe what I see as well as you do. But, .... we don't work for any NFL teams either lol.

Thornhill is an intriguing player but at 28, no

[Sgt Schultz]

Which free safety is the closest match to Earl Thomas?

[Boltjolt]

I'm never concerned about TV pundits rankings. If they were any good they'd be employed by an NFL team, well most of them anyway.
Medicals and interviews would be the information that I want but don't have access too. Film we can all evaluate on our own.

Watch his film. It will change your mind. Throw in his measurables and where do you find faults?

If they are highlites I won't watch. Have to see the games. I. Don't want to see only his good plays. Also I care more about his shuttle and 3 cone more than his 40. Closing reaction is more important and he didn't run those. Why wouldn't he run those?

[wu-dai clan]

If they are highlites I won't watch. Have to see the games. I. Don't want to see only his good plays. Also I care more about his shuttle and 3 cone more than his 40. Closing reaction is more important and he didn't run those. Why wouldn't he run those?

I love all this stuff.
3 Cone + 20 Yard Shuttle.
11.0-11.1 or less.
"Agility Factor."

wu's in the lab...
Carry on.

[charger1993]

^ This. It starts in the trenches, folks. Pressure Brady in pocket and Boss & Ingram zoom in to clean up the mess. Or, pressure Brady, and he unloads the rock earlier than he planned...incompletions, pd's and picks...

I screamed this all season until the point that i probably looked salty and mad. We need the beef. The game is won and lost in the trenches

[Panamamike]

Juan is not a reach at #28. I have him s my #10 overall prospect.
Here are my notes on his evaluation.........

SR. 6', 205#, 8 3/4'' HANDS, 31 1/8'' ARMS, 40YD - 4.42, 10YS - , VJ - 44'', BJ - 141'', 3CONE - , 20S - , 60S - . Juan is a naturally gifted, instinctual, fast, explosive, ballhawk that has CB skills and is relentless. He has great feet, excellent flexibility, loose hips, natural movement skills, uncanny ball separation skills, makes BIG plays in BIG games, played all DB positions (CB/FS/SS), HUGE production - 13 INTs/26 PBUs/208 tackles, tremendous mirror skills, over aggressive at times/susceptible to double moves, eyes always have him near the ball, sees and goes on run fills, takes excellent angles, solid wrap up tackler but not a thumper, hand strikes in press are accurate/forceful, disrupts routes at LOS, can be a half tick off as high safety but has the physical tools so can still make the range - very coachable and will speed up with reps at position. Juan's value as a backend chess piece and our FS. His range as our FS is from far hash 2 sideline, can cover any WR/RB/TE M2M, coverage disguise/flexibility, enhance Derwin's impact, eliminate explosive plays, and generate TOs. IMPACT STARTER w/ELITE TRAITS.

Yeah...but you have a Baylor WR ranked 11th....so that is my first Red flag on your eval skills ....hahahahhaha.

But seriously....everyone sees things differently. I would prefer not to go S again in rd 1, especially on a guy I believe will be there with our 2nd and maybe even third pick.

[Fleet]

Get some pressure up the middle and covering Edelman becomes a lot easier.

True. But even then Brady was expecting pressure often and simply got the ball out quick. I think stopping the run would have made an impact. But we did nothing well defensively. Just completely shredded in all aspects. They make Bosa and Ingram worthless. Should have just used Ingram at MLB. Probably would have had a bigger impact for us. lol