2020 NFL Draft Discussion

[Charge!]

Herbert over Burrow to the Bengals???? Hard to believe...

I would agree...... I would not touch Herbert at all, any round....he's the typical soft oregon system QB who will again fail in tough NFL...... but CIN has not always been the smartest organization in football..... historically they have selected some very "iffy" QB's...... and some very "questionable" characters...... so with teams with bad organizations like CIN, DET, CLEV, Chargers..... anything is possible.... :-)

[Lone Bolt]

Good list of players, though I would not touch Herbert.... or any QB from that oregon system.... Herbert never had any pressure, never had to make any tough throws into tight coverage or under pressure....... Mariota flopped really hard in NFL...... nice guy, too fragile but not tough enough for NFL....

Whether we keep Rivers for one more year via franchise tag or a 2 year meant to be one year contract, we need to draft the QB of future this year if possible...... and if we believe Burrow or Tua are special QB's who can lead the franchise into the future...... Hurts is a Jackson type of running/throw to open guys type of QB.... but they won't have long careers and defense will learn how to defend them....

Good thing about this draft, is if a great QB is not available, or we cannot work a deal to trade up for them, then at least there appears to be multiple OT's worth drafting, though drafting one from Bama scares me because of how (not great) Fluker was..... and as you listed there are some great defenders that could greatly help our defense.....

Even though our defense was not great to bad this year, clearly our biggest problem was our offense that only averaged less than 20 points per game which is unacceptable in today's NFL..... Our OL needs a complete rebuild, we need speed at WR and TE and size and speed at RB (notice that every viking RB was quick, strong and broke lots off tackles?, ....Jackson and Ekler are elusive but not powerful) .....I love Rivers and he has had a great career, but he is nearing the end and even he has to know it.... with protection, he could play and win for at least a couple more years... but without protection he its getting the crap beaten out of him.

Needs:

QB -pocket QB with elusive mobility to extend plays....(only a great franchise type...no taking flyers on iffy scrubs)
OT (2)
OG
DT
LB
CB
WR - speed burners
RB - power backs
TE - someone with speed who can catch

I want to wait and see on Herbert...bowl game against Wisconsin, if they have had handcuffs on him, I hope they let him open up some...is he gonna do the Senior bowl thing? Sadly, as much of a Rivers defender I have been, he is not helping his case...I would understand, and even expect Lynn to question moving forward with him...but I am now of the mind that if a guy is there that you think can be the future, get him...but don't pull the trigger unless you are sure. Otherwise, build the team...and maybe even try to net some draft capitol from someone who wants to trade up for him, if a star at any position isn't available.

[beachcomber]

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-week-15-mock-draft-pfn-readers-decide-outcome-of-2020-nfl-draft/

[powderblueboy]

I would agree...... I would not touch Herbert at all, any round....he's the typical soft oregon system QB who will again fail in tough NFL...... but CIN has not always been the smartest organization in football..... historically they have selected some very "iffy" QB's...... and some very "questionable" characters...... so with teams with bad organizations like CIN, DET, CLEV, Chargers..... anything is possible.... :-)

They've bombed on an oregon qb before, Why not again?

[Formula 21]

PFF 2020 NFL Mock Draft: Chase Young lands in Washington with the second pick

By Michael Renner
Dec 24, 2019
With the first overall pick officially set in stone and only bowl season left, we thought it was time to revisit our first-round mock draft. The offensive tackle and wide receiver classes are well represented with six of each appearing in our first round.

1. Cincinnati Bengals — QB Joe Burrow, LSU


With the Bengals officially having locked up the first overall pick in the draft, get used to seeing Burrow's name here because it isn't changing from now until draft day. His 94.3 overall grade is the highest we've ever seen from an SEC quarterback.

2. Washington Redskins — Edge Chase Young, Ohio State


If positional value didn't matter, Young would be the No. 1 overall pick. There's not a box he doesn't currently check at the position, and even better, he's seen his grade improve every single year at Ohio State.

3. Detroit Lions — CB Jeffrey Okudah, Ohio State


Okudah isn't as much of a sure thing as Young, but he similarly checks pretty much every box you want to see at the position. Okudah hasn't allowed 50 or more yards in any single game this season.

4. New York Giants — OT Jedrick Wills, Alabama


Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games.

5. Miami Dolphins — QB Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama


The hip injury is a serious concern, but it's not as if the Dolphins need Tua to see the field day one. Tagovailoa had only 24 turnover-worthy plays in his entire college career.

6. Jacksonville Jaguars — DI Derrick Brown, Auburn


Brown is in the conversation for being the most powerful defensive lineman in college football. He didn't miss a single tackle on 42 attempts all season and had a 90.6 pass-rushing grade.

7. Los Angeles Chargers — OT Andrew Thomas, Georgia


Thomas is the rare offensive lineman who's started since his true freshman year yet never really played bad football. He earned a 76.7 pass-blocking grade as a true freshman for Georgia.

8. Carolina Panthers — Edge A.J. Epenesa, Iowa


The Panthers just drafted edge last season, but Epenesa is a different breed than Brian Burns. Epenesa is more than comfortable kicking inside and did so on 92 snaps at Iowa this season.

9. Arizona Cardinals — OT Tristan Wirfs, Iowa


Wirfs only allowed multiple pressures in two games this season, and he only allowed one total pressure over his last six games. That's indicative of just how far he's come after earning a 52.9 pass-blocking grade as a true freshman.


10. New York Jets — WR Ceedee Lamb, Oklahoma


Lamb's blend of size and production as an outside receiver may very well push him above Jeudy come draft day. It's an insanely deep receiver class, but Lamb's a different breed. He's broken an absurd 25 tackles on 58 catches this season.

11. Denver Broncos — WR Jerry Jeudy, Alabama


A little bit of a drop issue popped up for Jeudy this year, but he was still below a 10% drop rate for the season (7 on 78 catchable). He'd be a fantastic complementary route runner inside to Courtland Sutton‘s outside ability.

12. Cleveland Browns — OT Josh Jones, Houston


The Browns need NFL-ready offensive line help. Jones is the elder statesman here, as he's a redshirt senior in a class full of true juniors. He allowed only four pressures on 325 pass-blocking snaps all season.

13. Atlanta Falcons — CB Kristian Fulton, LSU


Fulton was the highest-graded cornerback in SEC play this season. NFL evaluators will love that he's lined up in press coverage on the third-most snaps of any draft-eligible cornerback (301).

14. Oakland Raiders — LB Isaiah Simmons, Clemson


Simmons has lined up all over the place in his three seasons at Clemson, yet he's still earned a 92.0 coverage grade for his career. That will fit in nicely in a Raiders defense that could use almost any position that can cover.

15. Dallas Cowboys — S Grant Delpit, LSU


We've talked a lot about Delpit's missed tackle problem (20 on 71 attempts this year), but not enough about the fact that he's only allowed nine receptions in his coverage all season. On 17 targets, he's got six combined picks and pass breakups.


16. Indianapolis Colts — QB Justin Herbert, Oregon


Herbert's likely going to be an acquired taste for some come draft time. You have to bet on his high end that saw him have five games with passing grades over 80.0 this past season instead of his low end that earned game grades below 60.0.

17. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — OT Alex Leatherwood, Alabama


Leatherwood has some of the smoothest feet of any offensive lineman in this draft class. While he's a work in progress to some degree, it's encouraging that he still only allowed 10 pressures all season.

18. Oakland Raiders (via Chicago Bears) — DI Javon Kinlaw, South Carolina


The Raiders get their version of division rival Chris Jones. At 6-foot-6, 300 pounds, Kinlaw has all the physical traits you could want. Oh, and he also has the on-field production, with 40 pressures and a 90.7 pass-rushing grade this year.

19. Miami Dolphins (via Pittsburgh Steelers) — WR Laviska Shenault, Colorado


Battling through injuries, Shenault didn't produce quite like he did in 2018. However, Shenault was in the conversation for the Biletnikoff Award as a true sophomore after hauling in 87 passes for 1,019 yards and breaking 29 tackles in the process.

20. Jacksonville Jaguars (via Los Angeles Rams) — CB Trevon Diggs, Alabama


After teasing high-end talent before an injury shortened his season in 2018, Diggs put together a dominant 2019 campaign by any measure. He only allowed 22 catches from 52 targets for 309 yards and a passer rating of 44.5.

21. Philadelphia Eagles — CB Jaylon Johnson, Utah


Johnson has been one of the biggest movers up the PFF draft board this season. He allowed only nine completions from 22 targets for 112 yards over his last seven games in Pac-12 play.

22. Tennessee Titans — Edge Julian Okwara, Notre Dame


Okwara may very well take the NFL Scouting Combine crown come late February in Indianapolis. Okwara was inconsistent but still earned a 90.4 pass-rushing grade this season.

23. Buffalo Bills — WR Tee Higgins, Clemson


Six-foot-plus receivers aren't supposed to be home-run threats the way Higgins has been for Clemson this season. The junior is averaging 20.8 yards per catch and has the highest receiving grade of any Power-5 receiver.

24. Minnesota Vikings — DI Jordan Elliott, Missouri


I fully expect Elliott to come flying up boards the more people get to his tape this season. Elliott earned a higher grade than likely top-10 pick Derrick Brown for the season and in SEC play.

25. Miami Dolphins (via Houston Texans) — CB C.J. Henderson, Florida

Henderson has top-10-like traits at the cornerback position but had far from a top-10 performance this season. After earning an 81.7 coverage grade last year, Henderson earned a 57.1 this season and allowed five catches of 40 or more yards.

26. Kansas City Chiefs — CB Bryce Hall, Virginia


Even with the much-improved defense, the Chiefs still have a need at corner. Hall led the FBS in forced incompletions back in 2018 before an ankle injury cut his 2019 season short.

27. Seattle Seahawks — OT Mekhi Becton, Louisville


The mountainous offensive tackle will fit in just fine with the Seahawks' run-heavy approach. Becton had the second-most big-time blocks of any offensive tackle in the FBS.

28. Green Bay Packers — WR Henry Ruggs, Alabama


The Packers have some speed at their WR position in Marquez Valdes-Scantling, but MVS' ball skills pale in comparison to Ruggs'. Ruggs also has the type of speed that I'm not sure even Rodgers could overthrow.

29. New England Patriots — QB Jordan Love, Utah State


Few coaches have the job security to take a first-round quarterback who almost finished with as many picks as touchdown passes, but I think Bill Belichick might be safe. Even in a rough year, Love consistently flashed high-end play with the third most big-time throws in the country this season.

30. New Orleans Saints — WR Jalen Reagor, TCU


The Saints have to be licking their chops if a talent like Reagor falls all the way to them at the back end of the first round. Reagor didn't have the year he wanted to, with only 611 yards, but as a true sophomore in 2018, he went for over 1,000 and went 15-for-31 on contested targets.

31. San Francisco 49ers — TE Hunter Bryant, Washington


Kyle Shanahan sees his opportunity to get his own Gronk/Kelce combo and takes it. The 49ers coach loves movable chess pieces, and no one personifies that more in the draft class than Bryant. At 6-foot-2, 240 pounds he moves more like a wide receiver than a tight end.

32. Baltimore Ravens — LB Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma


Murray has looked like a different player towards the latter half of this season. After 51 stops in 2018, Murray is already at 64 this season. More importantly, after 20 missed tackles last year, he's only at 11 this season.

[alex8080]

from my TDN selections: pretty good in my eyes

• 7.Tua TagovailoaQB, Alabama
  
  

• 39.Mekhi BectonOT, Louisville
  
  

• 71.Cameron DantzlerCB, Mississippi State
  
  

• 103Colby ParkinsonTE, Stanford
  
  

• 135.Kylin HillRB, Mississippi State
  
  

• 166.Cesar RuizIOL, Michigan
  
  

• 198.Kyahva Tezino LB, San Diego State
  
  

[nomad1946]

found it.

[Lone Bolt]

from my TDN selections: pretty good in my eyes

• 7.Tua TagovailoaQB, Alabama
  
  

• 39.Mekhi BectonOT, Louisville
  
  

• 71.Cameron DantzlerCB, Mississippi State
  
  

• 103Colby ParkinsonTE, Stanford
  
  

• 135.Kylin HillRB, Mississippi State
  
  

• 166.Cesar RuizIOL, Michigan
  
  

• 198.Kyahva Tezino LB, San Diego State
  
  

Becton is a huge risk...the man weighs 369, and that was after they got his weight down....pass.

[alex8080]

Becton is a huge risk...the man weighs 369, and that was after they got his weight down....pass.

he's talented plays big and is big. no bigger risks based on weight than preliminary o.brown or c.glenn

[Formula 21]

PFF recomendations
6. LOS ANGELES CHARGERS

Earlier — OT Andrew Thomas, Georgia

[Insert offensive tackle here] The name really doesn’t matter here, as it’s a very deep tackle class at the top. What matters is that they take advantage of it.


Later — DI Leki Fotu, Utah

Brandon Mebane has been a placeholder at the nose for a couple of years now. The 335-pound Fotu has the chance to be a real playmaker at the position after earning an 83.8 run-defense grade this past season.

[Formula 21]

And MIA beats us to the punch on two consecutive picks. This is the draft I want

5. MIAMI DOLPHINS

Earlier — QB Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama

Take away the hip injury and Tagovailoa is a slam dunk here. Unlike Burrow, we never saw Tagovailoa play bad football, with grades over 90.0 in each of the past two seasons.

Later — OT Trey Adams, Washington

Adams would have likely been a first-round pick a couple of years back had it not been for a series of injuries that derailed his career. The Dolphins are in a rebuilding position and have the draft capital to swing at players with those types of red flags.

[Lone Bolt]

he's talented plays big and is big. no bigger risks based on weight than preliminary o.brown or c.glenn

Those guys came out around 345...and they are exceptions to the rule as is...but hey, like who you want. Weight gives me pause...