Joey Bosa Scores - Locked Up For 5 Years

[FoutsFan]

Yeh man. That Coryell bunch was maybe 1 or 2 pieces from a championship & he let JJ & Dean walk.

Klein was a special kind of bad owner. Not just incompetent but opposed to winning.

[Guest]

I would call 49ers.
Offer Melvin-DE. 2021 1st&3rd. 2022 1st.
for Nick Bosa.

A lot to give up. Kinda. But.....you get a younger better player than Melvin.

You wont have the 2021 & 2022 1st rd pick to pay money to. That money goes to Nick on a contract extension..you are very unlikely to get a player of his caliber with either of the 1st. Your really just using your 2021 1st to select Nick and it cost you a 1st and a 3rd.

You add Melvin because his contract is up after this year. And if that isnt enough. Add Mike Williams to the deal. I think he is overrated and a bit injury prone and his contract will be up in 2021.

i rather put those resources toward getting Nick.
Extending Kennan Allen whose contract is up after this year. And then in another year Derwin needs an extension. And if Hunter Henry has a great year resign him.

Bye bye Melvin & Mike. No problem giving up the two 1st and 3rd.

Its worth it,imo to use those assets to make things happen.

And in the larger scheme. What happens with Keenan and Melvin whose contracts expire. Charger get nothing but bottom 3rd rd comp at best.

Do it TT!!! Go get Nick. And lock up Keenan this year. And the following year lock up Derwin.

I would not do a deal like that for several reasons.

First and foremost, giving up Ingram, Mike Williams, two first rounders and a third rounder is way too much consideration for Nick Bosa, who had a good season, but not a great one for the 49ers. I would say that Nick Bosa is younger and barely better than Ingram, so giving up two good players and more draft pick consideration than the Bears gave up to get a DPOY candidate type player in Khalil Mack is not the way to go. In fact, the consideration discussed is more than double what Nick Bosa is worth.

Second, we have needs for our draft picks. If we do not have the first pick overall, left tackle is a position that comes to mind. And, if Ingram signs elsewhere, then we can draft an edge rusher. I do not agree with the notion that it is a good strategy to save money by trading away our early draft picks.

Third, Nwosu has potential and we should see what he can do with increased edge rushing opportunities.

Fourth, Ingram may still have some value to us if we can get him signed to a team friendly deal. If not, he can contribute to our ability to get a compensatory pick if we let him play out his contract and sign elsewhere. However, if Ingam stays, then we can begin to limit his snaps and increase Nwosu's. Nwosu's value is as an edge rusher, not as a 4-3 LB.

Fifth, I understand overrated in the context of a player to mean that most people have a higher opinion of the player than what his actual performance and/or ability justify. With that notion in mind, Mike Williams is definitely not overrated. He is underrated. He led the NFL in yards per reception and posted a 1,000+ yard season last year and yet nobody thinks of Mike Williams as even a very good, much less great player. As a general rule, it is better to keep underrated players.

Sixth, if anyone is overrated and more injury prone, it is Keenan Allen. Allen is very good, but he is not elite and many seem to consider him to be an elite player. Because other teams may overvalue him and he is three years older than Williams, I would trade Allen before I would trade Williams assuming that the trade partner would be more likely to overpay for Allen than Williams. And, to be clear, I am not saying that Williams is better than Allen. Rather, I am saying that Allen is more likley to generate better value in a trade for the quality of player that he actually is than Williams is.

[gzubeck]

Risking $100 million for a known quantity vs. having to pay $3 + billion for a new stadium? The only risk is Bosa having a career ending injury in the first 3 years. I see Bosa as the QB on the defensive side of the ball for the next five years...

[Critty]

I would not do a deal like that for several reasons.

Second, we have needs for our draft picks. If we do not have the first pick overall, left tackle is a position that comes to mind. And, if Ingram signs elsewhere, then we can draft an edge rusher. I do not agree with the notion that it is a good strategy to save money by trading away our early draft picks.

Sixth, if anyone is overrated and more injury prone, it is Keenan Allen. Allen is very good, but he is not elite and many seem to consider him to be an elite player. Because other teams may overvalue him and he is three years older than Williams, I would trade Allen before I would trade Williams assuming that the trade partner would be more likely to overpay for Allen than Williams. And, to be clear, I am not saying that Williams is better than Allen. Rather, I am saying that Allen is more likley to generate better value in a trade for the quality of player that he actually is than Williams is.

Solid takes. But im going to push back on a couple points.

There are only a couple other reciever that have done what Allen has done over past few seasons in terms of catches yards and tds. And they are J.Jones, D.Hopkins, M.Thomas. So I do not think Keenan is overrated, I think he is under rated. He is a top 5 WR in the NFL.

And as far as needing the future draft picks. If you can get a young stud pass rusher now for future draft pick. The ol' saying applies here. Better to have one in hand than two in the bush. You get known quantity/quality vs a couple unknown rookie draft picks.

And building a great defense around a young QB will help the cause. Make Justin Herbert job a bit easier.
And TT just spent good money on Bulaga and a 3rd on a young Pipkins the other year to improve oline. I don't think O-Line is the issue people believe it to be. Cheifs won Superbowl with average line. I think it ranked 16th in the league last year.

[Topcat]

I would not do a deal like that for several reasons.

First and foremost, giving up Ingram, Mike Williams, two first rounders and a third rounder is way too much consideration for Nick Bosa, who had a good season, but not a great one for the 49ers. I would say that Nick Bosa is younger and barely better than Ingram, so giving up two good players and more draft pick consideration than the Bears gave up to get a DPOY candidate type player in Khalil Mack is not the way to go. In fact, the consideration discussed is more than double what Nick Bosa is worth.

Second, we have needs for our draft picks. If we do not have the first pick overall, left tackle is a position that comes to mind. And, if Ingram signs elsewhere, then we can draft an edge rusher. I do not agree with the notion that it is a good strategy to save money by trading away our early draft picks.

Third, Nwosu has potential and we should see what he can do with increased edge rushing opportunities.

Fourth, Ingram may still have some value to us if we can get him signed to a team friendly deal. If not, he can contribute to our ability to get a compensatory pick if we let him play out his contract and sign elsewhere. However, if Ingam stays, then we can begin to limit his snaps and increase Nwosu's. Nwosu's value is as an edge rusher, not as a 4-3 LB.

Fifth, I understand overrated in the context of a player to mean that most people have a higher opinion of the player than what his actual performance and/or ability justify. With that notion in mind, Mike Williams is definitely not overrated. He is underrated. He led the NFL in yards per reception and posted a 1,000+ yard season last year and yet nobody thinks of Mike Williams as even a very good, much less great player. As a general rule, it is better to keep underrated players.

Sixth, if anyone is overrated and more injury prone, it is Keenan Allen. Allen is very good, but he is not elite and many seem to consider him to be an elite player. Because other teams may overvalue him and he is three years older than Williams, I would trade Allen before I would trade Williams assuming that the trade partner would be more likely to overpay for Allen than Williams. And, to be clear, I am not saying that Williams is better than Allen. Rather, I am saying that Allen is more likley to generate better value in a trade for the quality of player that he actually is than Williams is.

Yep, agree. Way to much to give up for Nick Bosa. And Nick would be looking for Bosa Bucks, or close to it. Sorry, not enough $$$ left to shell out for ANOTHER high-priced DE...

[Critty]

Way too much to give up?

kinda of hard to win Championships when things are too much to give up, when big bets are too risky. Small bets make small money. Big bets make big money .......... too much?!......might as well just give up.

Cheifs traded their 2017 1st & 3rd and 2018 1st to go get Mahomes. They later traded their 2019 1st to Seahawks for F.Clark-DE. And previously in 2016 they traded out of 1st rd.

So between 2016-2019. They made a trade with their 1st rd picks every year, whether to move up, down or for a player. Their aggressive moves and big bets paid off.

[FarAwayBoltFan]

Way too much to give up?
kinda of hard to win Championships when things are too much to give up, when big bets are too risky. Small bets make small money. Big bets make big money .......... too much?!......might as well just give up.
Cheifs traded their 2017 1st & 3rd and 2018 1st to go get Mahomes. They later traded their 2019 1st to Seahawks for F.Clark-DE. And previously in 2016 they traded out of 1st rd.
So between 2016-2019. They made a trade with their 1st rd picks every year, whether to move up, down or for a player. Their aggressive moves and big bets paid off.

For the right player aggressive moves and big bets net Mahomes and a championship(s?). But for the wrong player they net Ryan Leaf.

For that one missing piece or the right QB1 yeah, trade the farm. But is Baby Bosa the missing piece?

[gzubeck]

For the right player aggressive moves and big bets net Mahomes and a championship(s?). But for the wrong player they net Ryan Leaf.

For that one missing piece or the right QB1 yeah, trade the farm. But is Baby Bosa the missing piece?

Not to mention who we picked up in our draft picking up murray at linebacker and linval in free agency. That a helluva lot better than last year without the insane costs of another bosa.

[Bolt-O]

From PFT, Details of the deal:

At first blush, the new contract for Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa looked great. On closer inspection, it’s spectacular.

Here are the full details of the deal Bosa signed this week, per a source with knowledge of the numbers.





1. Signing bonus: $35 million.

2. Fully-guaranteed roster bonus, due August 15: $7 million.

3. 2020 base salary: $1 million, fully guaranteed at signing.

4. 2021 base salary: $13.75 million, fully guaranteed at signing.

5. 2022 base salary: $21.25 million, fully guaranteed at signing.

6. 2023 base salary: $24 million, guaranteed for injury at signing, fully guaranteed as of the third day of the 2022 league year.

7. 2024 roster bonus: $7 million, due on the third day of the league year.

8. 2024 base salary: $15 million.

9. 2025 roster bonus: $8.36 million, due on the third day of the league year.

10. 2025 base salary: $17 million.

The $35 million signing bonus is second only to Aaron Donald among all defensive players; however, the $7 million roster bonus due in two weeks pushes the up-front take to $42 million for Bosa.

More significantly, Bosa becomes the first defensive player to get three years of compensation fully guaranteed at signing. That’s why the $78 million in full guarantees at signing lands at No. 4 all time, behind only Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, and Kirk Cousins.

Bosa’s fourth year likely will be guaranteed, given that the $24 million injury-only base salary for 2023 vests in 2022. To avoid owing him the extra $24 million, the Chargers will have to pay him $78 million for two seasons of football.

While it’s not a half-billion-dollar deal like the one signed by one of the quarterbacks Bosa will keep chasing, the early cash flow for Bosa blows away the Patrick Mahomes deal. For example, Mahomes received a $10 million signing bonus, $25 million less than Bosa. Also, Mahomes will receive $10.825 million in 2020; Bosa gets $43 million.

Through two years, Mahomes gets $33.6 million. Bosa, in contrast, gets $56.75 million. Through three years, Mahomes will make $63 million. Bosa will make $78 million.

Mahomes doesn’t catch Bosa in cash flow until 2023, when Mahomes will end up with $1 million more than Bosa. At that point, Bosa will be under contract for only two more years. Mahomes will be under contract for eight more years.

Bosa’s deal also compares favorably to the five-year, $125 million extension signed recently by Browns defensive end Myles Garrett. Over four years, Garrett ends up with $22.2 million less than Bosa. Garrett’s full guarantee at signing is a whopping $28 million less than Bosa’s.

Given the current climate, it’s an amazing deal. And, as we speculated when the deal was first done, Bosa’s lengthy 2016 holdout definitely influenced the Chargers to get the deal done and to not risk another battle with Bosa in what would have been the option year of his rookie deal.

[PR#1]

Yep, agree. Way to much to give up for Nick Bosa. And Nick would be looking for Bosa Bucks, or close to it. Sorry, not enough $$$ left to shell out for ANOTHER high-priced DE...

Agreed. Way too much. Why not take one of those first round pick picks and draft the next Chase Young who will be a better player than N Bosa.

Then keep that player on his rookie contract for 5 years. That will be much cheaper than giving Bosa a 140M dollar deal.

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