I've Said This About Rivers And I'll Say It About Herbert

[Guest]

We needed to run the ball much more. It didn’t become necessary to chuck it around until middle of the 4thish.
30+ RA per game minimum needs to be our basement.

This is dead wrong. It has to be a game by game study based upon what is working versus the opposing defense. The running plays were very hit and miss on Sunday and some of the better runs that pumped up the YPC came in known passing situations. We have a QB that can move us down the field throwing the ball. There is nothing wrong going pass heavy when the running game is inconsistent and/or the other team is putting 8+ in the box to stop the run.

The team was by far at its best on Sunday when Herbert was given the chance to throw the ball. We immediately scored at TD and nearly drove 99 yards for another TD.

[chris9341]

This is dead wrong. It has to be a game by game study based upon what is working versus the opposing defense. The running plays were very hit and miss on Sunday and some of the better runs that pumped up the YPC came in known passing situations. We have a QB that can move us down the field throwing the ball. There is nothing wrong going pass heavy when the running game is inconsistent and/or the other team is putting 8+ in the box to stop the run.

The team was by far at its best on Sunday when Herbert was given the chance to throw the ball. We immediately scored at TD and nearly drove 99 yards for another TD.

How many times did we see Rivers throw for over 300 yards sometimes even 400 yards and we lose because the run game is non existent? When you throw the ball 49 times mistakes are bound to happen. I think everyone here has come to the conclusion that Herbert can play and that he's going to have some growing pains. And there will be times when we need Herbert to throw for 300 plus yards maybe even 400 sometimes so why not help take the load off of him right now?

[Guest]

It is what it is. Nothing misleading about it. The ground game was working. If they weren't playing from behind most of the game, there would have been a lot more running and less passing. Herbert is going to be more effective the less he has to has to pass and can rely on the ground game.

I disagree. They got 11 yards on a Herbert scramble out of a 3rd and 6 passing down. They got 9 yards from first and 19. They got 8 yards on 2nd and 28. Without those 3 carries, the run average drops by nearly .7 YPC and is nothing special in addition to being inconsistent.

There is no mystery at all here. After mixing pass and run on the first possession of the second half and having to punt, the team went pass heavy for the rest of the game, screwing up one drive with the only running play called when Williams flubbed the end around, cashing a FG and TD on the next 2 drives and nearly driving 99 yards on the last drive. On Sunday, we needed to be pass heavy. That was the right call and it was working.

[like54ninjas]

This is dead wrong. It has to be a game by game study based upon what is working versus the opposing defense. The running plays were very hit and miss on Sunday and some of the better runs that pumped up the YPC came in known passing situations. We have a QB that can move us down the field throwing the ball. There is nothing wrong going pass heavy when the running game is inconsistent and/or the other team is putting 8+ in the box to stop the run.

The team was by far at its best on Sunday when Herbert was given the chance to throw the ball. We immediately scored at TD and nearly drove 99 yards for another TD.

Dead wrong?
How do you think YPC is calculated? Only count the RA on known running situations?

We have a rookie QB, for all his positives, that has yet to win a game or put up more than 20 points.
He, as any QB, perform best with a solid running game. This is something we have to continue to establish.
PA is only effective with consistent rushing attempts.
We have a patchwork Oline that does best at run blocking. We cannot afford to put our QB in harm’s way 40+ times a game.
Commitment to the running game is a must!
Running the ball is a mindset we need.

[like54ninjas]

I disagree. They got 11 yards on a Herbert scramble out of a 3rd and 6 passing down. They got 9 yards from first and 19. They got 8 yards on 2nd and 28. Without those 3 carries, the run average drops by nearly .7 YPC and is nothing special in addition to being inconsistent.

There is no mystery at all here. After mixing pass and run on the first possession of the second half nd having to punt, the team went pass heavy for the rest of the game, screwing up one drive with the only running play called when Williams flubbed the end around, cashing a FG and TD on the next 2 drives and nearly driving 99 yards on the last drive. On Sunday, we needed to be pass heavy. That was the right call and it was working.

How many yards did that flubbed reverse net?
You cherry pick shit worse than a divorce attorney.

[Boltgang74]

If this crap o line is better at run blocking and we cant hardly run for shit then that sums up the biggest problem with our offense and GM.

[like54ninjas]

If this crap o line is better at run blocking and we cant hardly run for shit then that sums up the biggest problem with our offense and GM.

Can’t run for shit?
That makes no sense.
We have run for over 100 YPG each game this season (155, 183, 117).
We average 4.3 YPC.

[bartman83642]

The premise that Herbert had to throw so much because the offense couldn't run the ball is false. Ekeler averaged 4.9 yards per carry. Kelley 5.4. Herbert 5.0. When your run game averages more than 5 yards per carry, that is not failing. The reason Herbert had to throw so much is because the Chargers were playing from behind, and that is because of the turnovers.

Nah, started way to early for that reasoning. Were down only 11 and had most of the 3rd left when we started throwing so much. If the coaching staff thought we had to alter the game plan that early then something is very wrong.

[Boltgang74]

Can’t run for shit?
That makes no sense.
We have run for over 100 YPG each game this season (155, 183, 117).
We average 4.3 YPC.

So if our running game is fire why do you believe we keep losing?

[richpjr]

So if our running game is fire why do you believe we keep losing?

Coaching?

[Guest]

Dead wrong?
How do you think YPC is calculated? Only count the RA on known running situations?

We have a rookie QB, for all his positives, that has yet to win a game or put up more than 20 points.
He, as any QB, perform best with a solid running game. This is something we have to continue to establish.
PA is only effective with consistent rushing attempts.
We have a patchwork Oline that does best at run blocking. We cannot afford to put our QB in harm’s way 40+ times a game.
Commitment to the running game is a must!
Running the ball is a mindset we need.

I never said that the attempts in known passing situations were not counted. I am saying that they skewed the YPC upward in Sunday's game and made it appear that we could run the ball more effectively in all downs and distances than was actually the case. In reality, our running game was inconsistent on Sunday and less effective than it had been in weeks one and two.

I 1000% percent disagree that you must necessarily establish the run in every game. If the other team cannot stop the pass, keep on passing. That is what we finally did on Sunday and it worked. I recall a game where we played against the Greatest Show on Turf and we were struggling to stop the pass. The Rams simply called a whole bunch of pass plays in a row against us on drive after drive, completely abandoning the run, and absolutely killed us with it. The point is, of course, that you go with what is working and the passing game is what was working on Sunday. Why run ineffectively when you can pass effectively? That just wastes a down. I do not care if Herbert throws 70 times in a game if it is working.

In other games, though, the running game might work better and there might be a different balance. And, by the way, insisting on running the ball is part of what makes Lynn less effective as a coach. Good game tacticians adjust their strategy to do what will work best for the team and can make adjustments quickly to what other teams are throwing at them.

We will score more than 20 shortly enough with Herbert at QB. I am not even remotely concerned about that. Barring us having the #1 overall pick in 2021, Herbert is our QB going forward.

[like54ninjas]

So if our running game is fire why do you believe we keep losing?

Turnovers! It’s that simple.