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Originally posted by wu-dai clan
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Yeah, and hurting it worse. He's got about 3 weeks of rest coming up to get that thing better. Hopefully.Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
The Wasted Decade is done.
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Those teams were probably getting hurt in practice. They just were never required to report it. Not to mention the prevalence of social media now where it’s easier to reveal information. So now we’re agonizing about the normal wear and tear of camp. Luckily we haven’t reached the Jets level of injuries yet.Originally posted by Charge! View PostComment
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Seems to be more negatives then positives so far.Originally posted by equivocation View PostComment
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Here’s what it looked like from the 9ers beat writer’s POV…..
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I think Chargers starters will have a lot of injuries in week 1 and week 2. It’s gonna be their first time taking hard physical contact from another team. You can bet that in practice these guys aren’t hitting their own teammates all that hard. It’s different against another team.Originally posted by Charge! View Post
And for the starters to go from zero contract to EXTREME contact right away, it’s gonna take a toll on their body for sure and some immediate sprains, fractures etc will happen. This is a big reason why last season had so many injuries league wide at the beginning of the yr. There were more injuries in the first 4 or 5 weeks of last season all across the NFL than ever before iirc.
Thats why it makes sense to play the starters even for a few series in preseason so that they can get some hard hits on them and their body can start getting used to it again after 9+ months of no football.
Tom Telesco’s Results in 9 years as Chargers GM:
- 69-74 record
- 0 division titles in 9 yrs as GM
- Worst record among all active GMs with same tenure
- 6th worst winning percentage among all active GMs overall
- 2 playoff wins despite elite QB all 9 yrs
- Team still has the same weaknesses (Oline and run defense) that it had when hired as GM in 2013
- Consistently puts together horrible depth, expects starters to never miss gamesComment
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Justin Jones bullrush is nasty…..
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And here’s Popper’s perspective. At least from the offensive side.Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post
COSTA MESA, Calif. — The Chargers held their 16th training camp practice Thursday morning at Jack R. Hammett Sports Complex. It was the first of two joint practices across two days with the 49ers before the teams’ preseason game at SoFi Stadium on Sunday afternoon.
Friday is the Chargers’ final practice of training camp. They will return to Hoag Performance Center next week, and those practices will not be open to the public.
The Chargers and 49ers split onto two fields Thursday. The Chargers offense faced the 49ers defense on the near field for all drills — one-on-one, seven-on-seven and 11-on-11. The Chargers defense faced the 49ers offense on the far field.
I watched the Chargers offense Thursday, so all my observations will be from those drills. On Friday, I will watch the defense and bring you all my observations from that field. It is not realistic to move back and forth between the two fields, as media members must take a roundabout route to get from one field to the other. So, for the purposes of full disclosure, I figured this was the best way to offer the most detailed report from the day’s action.
Let’s get to the highlights from each drill.
One-on-ones
Rookie tackle Rashawn Slater sat out of practice with a lower-back issue. Head coach Brandon Staley had initially said earlier this week that Slater would practice against the 49ers. But the Chargers are being “extra careful” with their prized first-round pick and starting left tackle, as Staley put it. Staley said Slater felt ready to go, but they were “just being safe.” Starting right tackle Bryan Bulaga also missed practice with a hip flexor injury that “flared up” at practice earlier this week, according to Staley. On the 49ers side, defensive end Nick Bosa, who suffered a season-ending ACL tear last season, sat out of one-on-ones and team drills, and defensive end Dee Ford was also limited.
With all these missing players, I focused on the tight ends, receivers and defensive backs during one-on-ones instead of the pass-rushing matchups.
The wide receiver competition has turned into the fiercest battle on the Chargers’ roster, and that continued Thursday. Josh Palmer, Jalen Guyton, Tyron Johnson, Jason Moore, K.J. Hill and Austin Proehl all made plays in one-on-ones. Guyton, Johnson, Moore, Hill and Proehl are all competing for, at most, three spots on the 53-man roster.
Former Chargers cornerback Jason Verrettbested Palmer on the opening rep of the period, locking the rookie down on a deep out. But Palmer responded with quality routes on his next two reps. He beat cornerback Davontae Harris on a go route down the left sideline on his second rep. This should have been a touchdown, but Easton Stick underthrew him. Palmer then won on a short out to the flat against cornerback Alexander Myres for his only catch of the period.
Guyton won two of his four reps. On the two he lost, he lost his footing. One of those led to a Justin Herbert interception that, of course, was not the quarterback’s fault. Guyton ran a sharp in route on his first rep for a reception. Later, Guyton beat Deommodore Lenoir on a go route down the sideline, showcasing his elite straight-line speed.
Johnson won all three of his reps — two in the intermediate area, including a contested catch on a comeback route, and one deep down the left sideline. Johnson created separation on the deep route despite a blatant hold from Harris.
Hill showed off his crisp route running on two wins in two reps. He cut beautifully on an out route against safety Jared Mayden for a reception. Hill had great awareness of his leverage on the play, sliding smoothly inside of Mayden to create separation.
Moore won two of his three reps. His highlight was a double move against Mayden down the right sideline for a long touchdown.
Proehl continues to display elusiveness and deception in his route running and a notable burst in his releases. On his first rep, he fooled cornerback Ambry Thomas with a head fake on a slant. On his second rep, Proehl won handily off the line against Lenoir. The 49ers cornerback was able to recover on the corner route, though, and broke up the pass. This was a very impressive release.
Keenan Allen won all three of his reps, including a touchdown against his former teammate Verrett. This was Allen’s best route of the period. He feinted like he was running an in route, then broke back to the outside. Herbert hit him in stride.
Seven-on-seven
The teams held a special-teams period after one-on-ones before going into seven-on-seven. All three Chargers quarterbacks — Herbert, Stick and Chase Daniel — got a turn under center.
Herbert got six reps. Stick and Daniel got three each.
The highlight of Herbert’s series was a completion to Moore on a third-and-9. Moore ran an excellent in route to create separation over the middle. Herbert found him for the first down. Moore, an undrafted free agent in 2019, is pushing for a roster spot.
Daniel was up next, and he, like Herbert, successfully converted a third down. The Chargers faced a third-and-5, and Hill burned 49ers cornerback B.W. Webb with a clean release off the line of scrimmage on an in-breaking route. Hill had another catch underneath on the first rep of Stick’s series. On third-and-9, Parham found space on a deep out from the slot. He was open. Stick overthrew him.
11-on-11
The Chargers quarterbacks had the same rep distribution during scripted 11-on-11 drills, which is how they have been divvying up the snaps all camp — six for Herbert, three for Daniel and three for Stick. The opening period was all first and second downs.
Herbert could not get much going during his first series. With Slater and Bulaga out, Trey Pipkins was at right tackle on the first team and Storm Norton was at left tackle. The offensive line, overall, struggled to find consistency in run blocking and pass protection. The lone successful play out of these opening six reps was a nicely designed bubble screen to Guyton. Kevin Givens beat Oday Aboushi on the interior for a sack on the final play of the series.
Stick was up next, and running back Larry Rountree was swallowed up on two consecutive runs. Stick then delivered one of his best balls of the day, firing a dart off play action to Proehl over the middle. Proehl clearly has a knack for getting open in the short and intermediate areas of the field. He has some promise as a slot receiver.
Daniel handed off on all three of his reps. Darius Bradwell found some room on a cutback on the opening play. But the series ended with 49ers DL Darrion Danielsdropping Joshua Kelley behind the line of scrimmage.
The teams went right into a second period of 11-on-11, this time mixing in some third-down situations. On third-and-3, Herbert found Allen, who beat cornerback Dontae Johnson. On the next play, a third-and-7, the protection was leaky, but Herbert did an excellent job of stepping up in the pocket and hitting tight end Jared Cook over the middle. Herbert connected with Cook again off play action on the next play, a first-and-10, throwing accurately despite pressure off the edge. Herbert, though, took a sack on the final play of the series, a third-and-7, when All-Pro linebacker Fred Warner got home on a blitz.
Daniel was up next, and the highlight of his three-play stretch was a deep shot to Rountree on a wheel route. Rountree’s versatility is starting to show up. There really are not any holes in his game. He is a physical, downhill runner. He can be a threat as a pass catcher out of the backfield. And he is an asset on special teams as a coverage player, blocker and kick returner.
Stick checked down to Bradwell on first down before a screen to wide receiver John Hurst on second down. He was then sacked by Daniels on third-and-7. The Chargers allowed six sacks in 11-on-11.
The Chargers offense’s best play of the day came in the next 11-on-11 period, after a period of field-goal kicking (more on that later). Tight end Donald Parham came open down the seam after beating Tavon Wilsonwith a double move, and Herbert hit him in stride. Parham sprinted away for a 60-yard touchdown.
This period was a true move-the-ball drill, with downs and yardages being tracked based on what happened on the previous play. Daniel did not get any reps in this period. Stick’s drive started with another tackle for loss on a run play, this one from Givens. Stick managed to move the chains by finding Hill on second down and scrambling for a first on third-and-6. The drive stalled, though, after Givens had a second tackle for loss on first down, and Ford dominated undrafted rookie Darius Harper for a sack on third down. Harper was at right tackle with the second team, and Brenden Jaimes was at left tackle.
Red zone
Next came 11-on-11 in the red zone. Herbert failed to find the end zone in his six reps, including three in a goal-to-go situation. Parham had a chance at a touchdown on a jump ball in the back right corner, but Warner made a fantastic play on the ball to force it incomplete.
Daniel did not score in his three reps, all outside the 10-yard line. Stick’s three reps came inside the 10, and he was the lone Chargers quarterback to score. He extended a play on second-and-goal, rolling to his right. And he made a great throw to Hurst on the run for the touchdown. This was Stick’s best throw of the day.
Two-minute drill
Practice concluded with a two-minute drill. The situation: end of game, 1:42 on the clock, each side with one timeout, offense trailing by three points or fewer.
Herbert opened his drive with three straight completions — first to Palmer, then to Cook, then to Allen. Facing a second-and-3, Herbert went back to Palmer on a comeback route, but Dontae Johnson broke it up. On third down, the protection broke down, and Herbert was forced to throw incomplete on an attempted checkdown to Kelley. Herbert extended the drive on fourth down by scrambling up the middle for a first. He then completed an outstanding anticipation throw to Parham on an out route, and Parham got out of bounds with 26.5 seconds on the clock.
On second down, Herbert sailed a back-shoulder throw to Johnson out of bounds. He then checked down to running back Austin Ekeler on third-and-2. But linebacker Dre Greenlaw came up with a clutch tackle, dropping Ekeler behind the line and inbounds to keep the clock rolling. The offense took their timeout, and Tristan Vizcaino came on to attempt a 56-yard field goal. He missed.
Daniel was up next. Stick did not get a two-minute drill.
Daniel threw three straight incomplete passes to set up a fourth-and-10 from his own 27-yard line. He found Tyron Johnson on an out route against Lenoir to extend the drive. After a checkdown to Rountree on first down, protection broke down on second down.
Defensive lineman Eddie Yarbrough beat Harper off the edge and got a hand to Daniel’s throwing arm. That led to a wobbly throw, and Lenoir came down with the interception to end practice.
News and notes
• The full list of Chargers who did not practice: OT Rashawn Slater (back), OT Bryan Bulaga (hip flexor), WR Mike Williams (hip flexor), S Nasir Adderley (migraine), RB Justin Jackson (groin), edge rusher Chris Rumph (heel), WR Joe Reed (ankle), LS Cole Mazza (shoulder), edge rusher Emeke Egbule (undisclosed) and CB Ryan Smith (core muscle). Staley said the Chargers hope to get Reed back for Sunday’s preseason game but “may have to push him back to next week.” Staley added that Rumph’s heel bruise is “nothing long term.”
• There were no fights or even skirmishes during the practice. Johnson jawed with Webb after a one-on-one rep. But this situation was defused by Staley, who ran onto the field and yanked Johnson away. “I felt that there was a lot of respect, which is important in these competitive settings,” Staley said. “You want to make sure everyone respects each other, respects the game. I felt that was on display, too. I’m proud of that.”
• Michael Badgley and Vizcaino kicked in the field-goal period. Vizcaino had his worst showing of camp so far, going 3-for-6. He made from 38, 42 and 46 yards but missed from 33, 50 and 52 yards. Badgley went 5-for-6 from the same distances. His only miss came from 50 yards, but the operation was off after a high snap from long snapper Ryan Langan. Matt Overton was snapping for Vizcaino, and I did not see any mishaps on his snaps. As previously mentioned, Vizcaino also missed from 56 yards in the two-minute drill. Badgley might have cracked the door open slightly. GM Tom Telesco was closely watching the field-goal period.
• CB Tevaughn Campbell, CB Kemon Hall, CB K.J. Sails and Palmer all got gunner reps during the punt period. Campbell had the best rep of the four, using his speed to win inside against the double team.
• Telesco was chatting with Verrett on the sideline during the first special-teams period of practice. Verrett was Telesco’s second-ever first-round pick in 2014. Verrett’s Chargers career did not go as planned because of injuries, but there is still plenty of respect for him within the organization.Comment
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Agree we might as well just forfeit the season and shut it down now as we have only 2 chances. Slim and none and slim just left town.Originally posted by UglyTruth View PostComment
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Telesco and Verrett, nice tid bit.
Badgley needs to go away.P1. Block Destruction - Ogbonnia
P2. Shocking Effort - Eboigbe
P3. Ball Disruption - Ford
P4. Obnoxious Communication - MatlockComment
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