2023 Official Roster Build Thread - The Initial 53 / Practice Squad

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  • Boltgang74
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    Originally posted by 21&500 View Post
    The Athletic:

    The Los Angeles Chargers opened their preseason Saturday night with a 34-17 win over the Los Angeles Rams. They have completed 12 training camp practices. They have two more preseason games remaining — home against the New Orleans Saints and at the San Francisco 49ers. They will hold six more training camp practices, including two joint practices with New Orleans this week in Costa Mesa, Calif. They will then cut their roster to 53 players by 4 p.m. on Aug. 29.

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    Between the preseason games and these first 12 practices, we have plenty of information to use to start projecting what the 53-man roster will look like.

    This is my best guess at the initial roster as the Chargers enter their fourth week of training camp. I will have one final projection after the final preseason game on Aug. 25.


    Quarterbacks (2)
    Justin Herbert, Easton Stick

    Who’s out: Max Duggan

    The league introduced a new bylaw for this season that allows teams to designate an emergency third quarterback on game days as long as that QB is on the 53-man active roster. According to the bylaw, the emergency quarterback is only eligible to play if the other two quarterbacks are unable to participate due to injury or disqualification. Because of this new bylaw, I gave some consideration to keeping Duggan on the 53. But in that case, Duggan would be occupying a spot that otherwise could be devoted to more important depth at another position. The reality is if the Chargers are forced to play a third-string quarterback, they are unlikely to win the game anyway. The Chargers have kept three quarterbacks on the 53-man in each of coach Brandon Staley’s first two seasons: Herbert, Stick and backup Chase Daniel. The team did not want to lose Stick to a potential waiver claim if they cut him, and there was legitimate danger of that happening. I do not see the same danger with Duggan. He should clear waivers, and the Chargers could then re-sign him to their practice squad. Running backs (3)


    Austin Ekeler, Joshua Kelley, Isaiah Spiller

    Who’s out: Larry Rountree III, Elijah Dotson, Tyler Hoosman

    I am going with three running backs for now. But Dotson just had a breakout performance in the preseason opener against the Rams, leading the Chargers with 92 rushing yards and two touchdowns on six carries. He is firmly on my roster bubble now. And he could certainly make the 53-man if he strings together more quality performances over the final six practices and, more importantly, the two remaining preseason games.

    Fullback (1)


    Zander Horvath

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    Who’s out: No one

    At this stage of camp, Horvath is on all of the first-team core-four special teams units: kick return, punt, punt return and kickoff. The Chargers love his versatility as a featured special teams player, particularly on kick and punt coverage. I consider him a lock for the roster for this reason. Receivers (6)


    Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Joshua Palmer, Quentin Johnston, Derius Davis, Keelan Doss

    Who’s out: John Hightower, Pokey Wilson, Terrell Bynum, Milton Wright, Darrius Shepherd, Jalen Guyton (PUP)

    I have yet to see Guyton at training camp. Unlike defensive linemen Austin Johnson and Otito Ogbonnia, the other two Chargers on the physically unable to perform list, Guyton has not been working in the rehab area. The Chargers have the option of moving Guyton to the reserve/PUP list when they make their final cuts. In that case, he would have to miss the first four games of the regular season before he is eligible to be activated. That seems likelier now than it did at the beginning of camp. Guyton tore his ACL in Week 3 of last season. If Guyton starts the regular season on PUP, that leaves a spot open in the receiver room. I think the Chargers will keep six receivers. Davis is an electric returner, which he put on full display Saturday night with an 81-yard punt return touchdown. But he is limited as a receiver at this stage of his young career. Davis is a slot-only player, and his offensive role in 2023 will likely be as more of a gadget player. The Chargers could use a sixth receiver who can provide more offensively than Davis. Hightower was making a really strong case for that spot, but he has not practiced since Aug. 8 with an injury. I see this as a competition between Hightower and Doss. Doss has been a consistent performer in camp. He is a good route-runner with trustworthy hands. He also has the size the Chargers like at receiver.


    Tight ends (4)
    Gerald Everett, Donald Parham Jr., Tre’ McKitty, Stone Smartt

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    Who’s out: Hunter Kampmoyer, Michael Ezeike

    Smartt has been a mainstay on the first-team punt return unit. Tracking the starting special teams groups can be a reliable way to project these bottom-of-the-roster spots. Offensive line (9)


    Rashawn Slater, Zion Johnson, Corey Linsley, Jamaree Salyer, Trey Pipkins III, Will Clapp, Jordan McFadden, Zack Bailey, Foster Sarell

    Who’s out: Brenden Jaimes, Isaac Weaver, Austen Pleasants, Andrew Trainer, Johari Branch, Matt Kaskey

    Johnson and Salyer both started Saturday at the two guard spots and played 16 snaps apiece. McFadden replaced Johnson at left guard after two series. Bailey replaced Salyer at right guard. Those two are ahead of Jaimes on the depth chart right now. Jaimes played exclusively center, replacing Clapp later in the first half. The starting five is set: Slater, Johnson, Linsley, Salyer, Pipkins. Clapp is the backup center. Sarell is the tackle depth. McFadden and Bailey are both primarily guards who can kick out to tackle in a pinch. Jaimes has the center flex going for him, but I do not see that as a necessary skill set with Clapp on the roster. I think Jaimes is the odd man out right now.

    Defensive line (6)


    Sebastian Joseph-Day, Morgan Fox, Scott Matlock, Christopher Hinton, Nick Williams, David Moa

    Who’s out: Jerrod Clark, Terrance Lang, CJ Okoye, Austin Johnson (PUP), Otito Ogbonnia (PUP)

    Johnson and Obgonnia have been working in the rehab area, but I am starting to question if either player will be ready for Week 1. Both are coming back from very significant knee injuries. As it stands, I am projecting both to start the season on PUP and miss the first four games. But that could definitely change through this final stretch of camp. Among the young defensive linemen who would be fighting for spots if Johnson and Ogbonnia start the season on PUP, Moa has really distanced himself, particularly as an interior pass rusher. Edge rushers (4)


    Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Tuli Tuipulotu, Chris Rumph II

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    Who’s out: Carlo Kemp, Ty Shelby, Brevin Allen, Andrew Farmer

    No surprises here. Tuipulotu and Rumph both played 11 snaps on Saturday. In one three-play sequence in the first quarter, Tuipulotu had pressures on back-to-back snaps before Rumph got the defense off the field with a third-down sack. This depth is looking really solid entering the season. Tuipulotu has started to flash more regularly in practice over the last week or so.

    Linebackers (5)


    Eric Kendricks, Kenneth Murray Jr., Daiyan Henley, Nick Niemann, Amen Ogbongbemiga

    Who’s out: Blake Lynch, Mikel Jones, Nathan East

    Kendricks and Murray are penciled in as the starting duo. Henley is on three of the core-four special teams units: punt, punt return and kickoff. Niemann and Ogbongbemiga are on all four. They are two of the Chargers’ most important special teams pieces. Safety (5)


    Derwin James Jr., Alohi Gilman, JT Woods, Raheem Layne, Mark Webb Jr.

    Who’s out: AJ Finley, Tyler Baker-Williams, Michael Jacquet

    Webb got the start Saturday night at safety over Layne. He had his first interception of training camp on Aug. 6. Webb is on first-team kick return and kickoff. Layne, meanwhile, is on first-team kick return, punt return and kickoff. I think both make the roster primarily as special teams players. Cornerback (5)


    J.C. Jackson, Michael Davis, Asante Samuel Jr., Ja’Sir Taylor, Deane Leonard

    Who’s out: Kemon Hall, Cam Brown, Tiawan Mullen, AJ Uzodinma

    Jackson, who is working his way back from a ruptured patellar tendon, did not begin camp on PUP. He missed three practices last weekend after a minor setback but returned to team drills on Aug. 10. Barring another more significant setback, Jackson will be on the 53-man. The bigger question is whether he will be ready for Week 1. That is to be determined. The Chargers have the depth to handle that uncertainty. If Jackson is not ready, Samuel would likely start on the outside opposite Davis with Taylor in the slot. If Jackson is ready, Samuel has distanced himself in the competition with Taylor at slot corner and would likely start there with Jackson and Davis on the outside. Specialists (3)


    P JK Scott, LS Josh Harris, K Cameron Dicker

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    Who’s out: K Dustin Hopkins

    Hopkins has not kicked field goals in a live practice period since Day 2 because of an undisclosed injury. Dicker is running away with this competition as a result. We will see if Hopkins can return to practice this week and make any sort of late-stage push.
    I like Jarrod Clark, Carlo Kemp,Farmer,Cam Brown,and of course Dotson.

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    • cmplxgal
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      Originally posted by cmplxgal View Post


      One of the six DL, maybe Nick Williams. The Chargers use an average of 2.5 linemen per defensive play because they run so much nickle and dime. They don't need six, even with needing bodies to cover for Johnson and Ogbonnia while they're on PUP.

      Just to check my math, 11 defensive linemen had snaps last season for the Chargers: Sebastian Joseph-Day 702, Morgan Fox 576, Austin Johnson 286, Breiden Fehoko 279, Jerry Tillery 190, Otito Ogbonnia 138, Christian Covington 124, Joe Gaziano 114, Christopher Hinton 66, David Moa 38, and Tyeler Davison 34. That's 2547 total snaps played by defensive linemen. Since there were 1047 total defensive snaps last season for the Chargers, that means that 2.43 (2547/1047) defensive linemen played per defensive snap on average last season. In other words, the Chargers had three or more defensive lineman on the field for less than half the snaps.

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      I had completely forgotten about Tillery. OTOH, I wish that Fehoko and Gaziano had made it with the Chargers, even though they're both one-dimentional players.

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      • Velo
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        Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post
        Word from camp is Dotson has been working his ass off to play on ST. He knows whats up - he's told coaches he'll do any fucking thing to be on the team.
        This is what you want from a player like Dotson.

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        • OG619FrightninLightnin
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          Originally posted by 21&500 View Post
          Does anyone think Stick is ready to compete for a starting job somewhere next year?
          Talk about prisoner of the moment lol.

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          • richpjr
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            Originally posted by Velo View Post
            This is what you want from a player like Dotson.
            Following in Ekeler's footsteps - smart choice.

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            • Lefty2SLO
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              Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
              No
              NO

              Stick had a good game last weekend, and the Rams were outclassed. Stick does this often - we see glimpses of competency in the preseason, followed by bouts of 'not good' to horrible. Maybe he's improved, maybe not, but the 1st PS game is not a good measure for him . . . . . . . . . . . . . His regular season career stats; 1 comp for 4 yards - in 4 years!!!!!

              He has the perfect job - long may he stay on the sidelines!

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              • dmac_bolt
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                Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

                Welker didn't get poached. We released him after week 1 and Miami offered him a better opportunity and he took it. Today if a player clears waiver and goes to the PS, we can protect a handful of them. It's either 4 or 6 of them.
                Well, no and yes. The team has to cut a player before they can then resign back to the PS. From all I heard, Chargers cut him and tried to sign him to the PS but he got a better offer from another team. Thats snatched in my book, if he hadn’t been cut he wouldn’t have left. you can call it what you want. Same thing could happen to any player they cut from the roster, players are free to sign with anyone when they get cut.

                its 4 players they can protect, they can pick different 4 players every week, on Tuesday I think. No idea why Tuesday.
                “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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                • dmac_bolt
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                  Originally posted by Lefty2SLO View Post

                  NO

                  Stick had a good game last weekend, and the Rams were outclassed. Stick does this often - we see glimpses of competency in the preseason, followed by bouts of 'not good' to horrible. Maybe he's improved, maybe not, but the 1st PS game is not a good measure for him . . . . . . . . . . . . . His regular season career stats; 1 comp for 4 yards - in 4 years!!!!!

                  He has the perfect job - long may he stay on the sidelines!
                  He hasn’t played in the Reg Season - he has no Reg Season stats. Backup QB is the sweetest gig life ever invented for a guy thats not good enough to do the job.
                  “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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                  • Lefty2SLO
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                    Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

                    He hasn’t played in the Reg Season - he has no Reg Season stats. Backup QB is the sweetest gig life ever invented for a guy thats not good enough to do the job.
                    The infallible internet says he had 1 completed pass for 4 yards in 2020 . . . . . . . . . . . . . we're in good hands if Herbert goes down

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                    • wu-dai clan
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                      JC is back.
                      He heard what you said, too.
                      We do not play modern football.

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                      • Ghost of Quacksaw
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                        Originally posted by Lefty2SLO View Post

                        Zeke just signed with the Patriots . . . . . . . . . . . not that I wanted him anyway
                        Even though he's not the player he once was, I expect Zeke to have a productive season. He blocks well, and he reads exceptionally well while the play is unfolding, so he tends to hit the right gap. I don't expect impressive numbers- he won't be a featured element, but a complementary element, I suspect-- but I think Zeke will help the Patriots offense find its groove.

                        I wouldn't have minded him here with the Bolts, under a similar contract. We just have to hope that the RBs already here will be able to get the job done.

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                        • richpjr
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                          Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post
                          JC is back.
                          He heard what you said, too.
                          If we can get Jackson back to the level he was at when we signed him, what a boost for the D!

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