Richard Marshall

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

Players always play poorly because they are bad players. Like Drew Brees.

[Steve]

He's better than what they had on the roster. Decent is debatable. You have Patrick who was released by the worst secondary in 2012. And Marshall that was released by a piss poor Phins secondary last week.

Using that argument, we have to get rid of Weddle right now. Our secondary sucked last year, so everyone on it must suck too?

Marshall was a good, but not great player who was on a rebuilding secondary and got caught in a numbers game/salary cap situation. Patrick was draft for NO back when they were a soft zone team, and they haven't been that since he got there. They are going into their 2nd D with a DC who runs mostly man and there isn't much place for a zone CB in NO these days.

It's way to easy to just use guilt by association and childishly simplistic reasoning as an excuse for doing nothing to improve a roster. Adding Marshall adds depth and we have another player who could turn into something if given the right oppurtunity. Most of these types of moves won't work out. But on the surface, they look to be moves that have some chance of success. And doing nothing and waiting for a great option to appear means sucking for sure.

I know there is a big crowd who thinks that this is a rebuilding year and that every move should be towards the future, but I just don't think NFL teams approach it that way. I think when MM and TT say they think they can win now, they really are deluding themselves into believing it (like I do too). I just don't think if you dwell on being bad, and you don't really believe that you can win, or you have ZERO chance of making it in the NFL, either as a front office, coach or player.

[Den60]

I hope he comes in at a decent price. He's already getting paid.

No, his salary wasn't guaranteed. The Dolphins only take a cap hit based on his pro-rated signing bonus of $1.167M. At a minimum he gets paid $840K by the Chargers given that he is now in his 8th season.

[Den60]

I was curious as to why MIA would release a starting CB (going into TC) this soon, but Miami Herald states money as the major reason (they save $4.5 mil). Along with the feeling that Marshall still may be hampered by a bad back and the fact that Dolphins believe they have a good and less-expensive replacement in Dimitri Patterson, who now moves into a starting slot. Marshall may be a good nickel for us, but I can't see him too active on STs until Bolts believe he has fully recovered from his back injury. Why risk a valuable skill player--He won't signed primarily for his ST play....

Miami had about $17M in cap space before releasing him so it wasn't all about money.

[Den60]

most dolphin fans are a riot. they legit think they can beat new england and they slobber over tannehill like he's andrew luck. i remember watching hard knocks last year and one fan deadpan said tannehill will lead them to the superbowl within 2 years and that he is going to be better than marino. the funny part is that fan represents the majority in miami

Yeah, I've never seen a board overstate the talent of their team before. :lol:

[Bolt-O]

No, his salary wasn't guaranteed. The Dolphins only take a cap hit based on his pro-rated signing bonus of $1.167M. At a minimum he gets paid $840K by the Chargers given that he is now in his 8th season.

If there's room in the cap, that vet minimum is ok to get the Chargers depth with a player they already know something about. Any know what the contact numbers are?

[Panamamike]

Miami had about $17M in cap space before releasing him so it wasn't all about money.

So are you in favor of the signing or against it?

[Den60]

If there's room in the cap, that vet minimum is ok to get the Chargers depth with a player they already know something about. Any know what the contact numbers are?

I didn't say there wasn't. If he signs for just the league minimum our cap shrinks by $300K or so. There will be more of those signings to come and Freeneys contract includes performance bonuses likely to be earned so that reduces our cap even more. Don't see us having the room to sign Butler unless we cut someone(s) who can give us some room (Starks, Clary, Royal seem to make the most sense).

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

Using that argument, we have to get rid of Weddle right now. Our secondary sucked last year, so everyone on it must suck too?

Marshall was a good, but not great player who was on a rebuilding secondary and got caught in a numbers game/salary cap situation. Patrick was draft for NO back when they were a soft zone team, and they haven't been that since he got there. They are going into their 2nd D with a DC who runs mostly man and there isn't much place for a zone CB in NO these days.

It's way to easy to just use guilt by association and childishly simplistic reasoning as an excuse for doing nothing to improve a roster. Adding Marshall adds depth and we have another player who could turn into something if given the right oppurtunity. Most of these types of moves won't work out. But on the surface, they look to be moves that have some chance of success. And doing nothing and waiting for a great option to appear means sucking for sure.

I know there is a big crowd who thinks that this is a rebuilding year and that every move should be towards the future, but I just don't think NFL teams approach it that way. I think when MM and TT say they think they can win now, they really are deluding themselves into believing it (like I do too). I just don't think if you dwell on being bad, and you don't really believe that you can win, or you have ZERO chance of making it in the NFL, either as a front office, coach or player.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Steve again.

[Den60]

So are you in favor of the signing or against it?

I have said the depth at CB is an issue and have also said that we are going to need money to sign players to replace players injured during the season. Don't like taking a guy coming off back problems (this coming from a guy who has dealt with back issues for 35 years), though. Miami didn't need the cap room, they are way under the cap. So evidently they were not impressed with either his play or his fitness. That has to be a concern.

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

I guess they aren't all offense.

[maurile]

Freeneys contract includes performance bonuses likely to be earned so that reduces our cap even more.

Do you have a link with more info on this? This article says that his performance bonuses are tied to sacks.

He had only five sacks last year. A performance bonus is "likely to be earned" for salary-cap purposes if the player would have reached it the previous year. I don't know how many sacks Freeney needs in 2013 to reach his bonus, but unless it's five or fewer, I don't think his bonus is "likely to be earned."