2023-24 Chargers Season In Review

[richpjr]

agree on the true pay cut. Mack would have to come to the table and negotiate. if not, a cut is likely. i am not a cap expert, but here is what I put together from Sportrac.com:

if we cut Mack, Bosa, MW, SJD and Kendricks: 2024 salary would have been $127M. dead cap hit of $55M and cap savings of $72M. so if we are $40M over the cap, we would have the remaining $32M to replace those guys.

Corey Linsley is another possible cap savings of $9M if he retires, but that is wait and see.

Could we add a couple of years to Keenan Allen, but have him take a pay cut in 2024? his cap hit is $35M in 2024, with a dead cap hit of $12M

Does Mack even want to keep playing? If he seriously contemplated retirement last year, what will he be thinking this offseason after going through this year and having to start over again with a new coaching staff in a new D?

[Bolt4Knob]

agree on the true pay cut. Mack would have to come to the table and negotiate. if not, a cut is likely. i am not a cap expert, but here is what I put together from Sportrac.com:

if we cut Mack, Bosa, MW, SJD and Kendricks: 2024 salary would have been $127M. dead cap hit of $55M and cap savings of $72M. so if we are $40M over the cap, we would have the remaining $32M to replace those guys.

Corey Linsley is another possible cap savings of $9M if he retires, but that is wait and see.

Could we add a couple of years to Keenan Allen, but have him take a pay cut in 2024? his cap hit is $35M in 2024, with a dead cap hit of $12M

One big point about the cap when looking at Spotrac or Over the Cap - and I use over the cap. Right now, it shows the Chargers are $34m over the cap - but only 37 players on the roster. So if they release Kendricks, they get cap space, but now have 36 players; if they release Bosa, cap space 35 players

The draft: 7 players and picking 5th will be about $12m of cap space as the 5th pick costs $6 and the rest are close to $1m average

So without releasing anybody, in all reality now up to 44 players and 46m over the cap
To get to 53 players, that would be another 9 at the league minimum of $750 - what was that, another $6.5m or so

Now up to $52.5m over the cap

So sure, they can reduce Allen or Mack by extending them and delaying the inevitable while also increasing the odds of dead cap space.

[northerner]

Does Mack even want to keep playing? If he seriously contemplated retirement last year, what will he be thinking this offseason after going through this year and having to start over again with a new coaching staff in a new D?

Many question marks on Mack, including his own interests, as you mentioned. a new GM could easily look at our situation and say Mack is 100% gone.

[northerner]

One big point about the cap when looking at Spotrac or Over the Cap - and I use over the cap. Right now, it shows the Chargers are $34m over the cap - but only 37 players on the roster. So if they release Kendricks, they get cap space, but now have 36 players; if they release Bosa, cap space 35 players

The draft: 7 players and picking 5th will be about $12m of cap space as the 5th pick costs $6 and the rest are close to $1m average

So without releasing anybody, in all reality now up to 44 players and 46m over the cap
To get to 53 players, that would be another 9 at the league minimum of $750 - what was that, another $6.5m or so

Now up to $52.5m over the cap

So sure, they can reduce Allen or Mack by extending them and delaying the inevitable while also increasing the odds of dead cap space.

i was staying high level, just to show how expensive the Mack, Bosa, MW and KA group is. there is the draft and replacing players, but it also amazing how most of our roster makes $1M to $3M and then it blows up near the top. Alex Erickson, who made some decent catches in December, made $1M this season.

[Boltjolt]

The only success to,this season is the firing of Telesco. And Staley but TT is the common denominator to the disapointments that has him with a losing 11 year record. He wasnt very good at hid job. So, im excited for the next guy.

If we get Harbaugh, this season is worth the shit show and the optomism will be off the charts even if we MAY have to suffer one season with cap issies and not able to fix everyhting.

We'll see how it goes

[Bolt4Knob]

i was staying high level, just to show how expensive the Mack, Bosa, MW and KA group is. there is the draft and replacing players, but it also amazing how most of our roster makes $1M to $3M and then it blows up near the top. Alex Erickson, who made some decent catches in December, made $1M this season.

And I was just trying to point out how truly crappy the Chargers cap sitiuation is and how much work they have to do to reastically field a roster of 53 plus a practice squad. Its much more than 34m over the cap.

[Boltjolt]

Does Mack even want to keep playing? If he seriously contemplated retirement last year, what will he be thinking this offseason after going through this year and having to start over again with a new coaching staff in a new D?

Unless he likes the Harbaugh hiring....assuming he is indeed it.....id think he would retire or want to move on. MW has stated he wants to stay. Will he be willing to rip up his deal and sign a new one that is much better cap wise for us? Or is he just too injury prone? He said he is ahead of schedule after his surgery.

My guess is he is traded or cut.

Like AJ did, Telesco left us with a mess but im sure a lot of that was Staley driven as TT isnt usually like that. Big red flag appologizing about the JC screw up....also likely Staley driven.

[Boltjolt]

And I was just trying to point out how truly crappy the Chargers cap sitiuation is and how much work they have to do to reastically field a roster of 53 plus a practice squad. Its much more than 34m over the cap.

Yeah we know. You pointed it our several times. There will be some dead cap, we know. They will figure it out. It isnt dire and Denver is in kinda the same boat and so is NO who always is.

[northerner]

And I was just trying to point out how truly crappy the Chargers cap sitiuation is and how much work they have to do to reastically field a roster of 53 plus a practice squad. Its much more than 34m over the cap.

totally agree. actually, one decent strategy might be to draft Nabers or Bowers and then let go of Keenan Allen and pick up a vet for cheap. Keenan has a $35M cap hit in 2024 with 15M dead cap hit - $23M savings. we could even trade back a little bit and take one of the other WR's if we want to stock up on picks (who are cheaper players after the first round). that last cut would hurt, but could balance the overall cap. we have options out there.

this is where the QJ disaster hurts so much. that guy was supposed to be the future. shit.

[Bolt4Knob]

totally agree. actually, one decent strategy might be to draft Nabers or Bowers and then let go of Keenan Allen and pick up a vet for cheap. Keenan has a $35M cap hit in 2024 with 15M dead cap hit - $23M savings. we could even trade back a little bit and take one of the other WR's if we want to stock up on picks (who are cheaper players after the first round). that last cut would hurt, but could balance the overall cap. we have options out there.

this is where the QJ disaster hurts so much. that guy was supposed to be the future. shit.

JT Woods -- first two years - would be suprised if he makes it out of training camp
McKitty -- 4th rounder - didn't make it through year 3
Spiller -- first two years, same as Woods - will he make it through camp
Kelley - will they even bring him back
Rumph - anybody see anything that he will be more than ST player

Gilman - he might have a chance but all depends on the type of defense

the list is pretty long for Tommy Polian

[northerner]

JT Woods -- first two years - would be suprised if he makes it out of training camp
McKitty -- 4th rounder - didn't make it through year 3
Spiller -- first two years, same as Woods - will he make it through camp
Kelley - will they even bring him back
Rumph - anybody see anything that he will be more than ST player

Gilman - he might have a chance but all depends on the type of defense

the list is pretty long for Tommy Polian

that list is painful - if they were "below avg starters or strong backups" that would be one thing, but they are just complete misses.

[Bolt4Knob]

that list is painful - if they were "below avg starters or strong backups" that would be one thing, but they are just complete misses.

It is painful and the downfall of Telesco was his failure to hire on those 3rd and 4th rounders. Those need to be core starters...or at worst, very strong role players like for nickel on defense or 4 wide on offense. Woods and Spilelr could not even be active yesterday

Early in his career, I along with others thought Gilman was just picked as he went to Notre Dame. Give him credit, he became a solid player. Granted, maybe it was just the rest of teh defense was bad and he stood out