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[Geezbolt]

The Patsies shouldn't be 3-0 right now with a backup and a 3rd-stringer. They cheat. It's the only explanation.

Not saying this is the reason for the Pat's success, but after reading David Halberstam's book a few years ago, he sure made it sound like this guy is at least part of it.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/29/mysterious-ernie-adams-patriots-man-behind-curtain/IrNCfgrysUphGpkcIjEaBL/story.html

[vinabolt]

I don't know where to find the stats for personal-foul penalties, but the Pats, right now, are averaging six penalties per game for 50 yards, which puts them right in the middle of the league.

Last year, they averaged 6 penalties per game for 52 yards. That put them in the top 10 on the good side, but the difference between the Patsies and some of the crappier teams wasn't much.
To give you a comparison. the Chargers averaged about 7 penalties per game for 59 yards. That's a 7-yard difference. Big whoop.

In 2014, the last year the Patsies were champs, they averaged 7 penalties per game for 64 yards. That put them as the seventh worst in number of penalties and the third worst in penalty yards.
By comparison, the Chargers averaged 7 penalties for 60 yards.

So, yea - Patsies, according to the stats, don't seem much more disciplined than the average team or even the worst team.

Sometime stats and numbers can really misleading. There is huge difference from a tick-tack foul and launch your helmet to the QB face. There is huge difference from grabbing your man to prevent the TD when it's clear that you got beat, from grabbing your man's helmet and pull it down (like one of the Texans did last night).

If we want to know if a team is discipline, just watch 'em. Can't rely on a paper sheet.

[OhioBolt]

Hate the Patriots, but this is just the result of good coaching you win with the 3rd string QB and pull a shut out!

Swap our coaching staff with theirs and I guarantee you the score would of been Texans 27 Pats 0 and with their coaching staff coaching our team no way we lose the KC game.

[richpjr]

The Patsies shouldn't be 3-0 right now with a backup and a 3rd-stringer. They cheat. It's the only explanation.

No, it isn't. They won last night because they made few mistakes on offense, played great defense and their kickoffs were superb and led to 2 turnovers that turned the game in their favor. Sometimes the simplest explanation is really the answer.

[QSmokey]

Pats continue to show they are easily the best coached team in football.

Pains me to say it, but I believe that as well. Hate Belichek, the Pats, Brady, etc. But there's no way they should be winning games like they are, IMO.

[vinabolt]

Not saying this is the reason for the Pat's success, but after reading David Halberstam's book a few years ago, he sure made it sound like this guy is at least part of it.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...aBL/story.html

Yeah, BB has been hiring some "genius" guys that has some over the top skill on memory and mathematical skills. He just doesn't officially assign them a job title.

It's a billion dollars business, extremely competitive. Everybody is trying to do everything they can to gain competitive advantage. It's silly to think NE success only due to their "cheating".

I mean, a lighter ball contribute how much to Brady's success on the field? 1, 2% ? NE actually blew out IND in the second half with the right footballs.

In 2004, the NFL silently installed the rule that forbid teams to videotape team's signals on the field. Everybody comply. BB was being ignorance and keep on taping. Shannahan on radio said that everybody taping everybody all the time, spying the practice. DEN always has their security people around the practice to prevent other teams' scout spying/videotaping on them. They hire lip readers, they try everything.

One thing about that videotaping rule is that it never stated that you can't videotaping the other team's signals. You just can't do it on the field! I would bet that teams continue to video taping after 2004, they just do it on the fans stand instead, with a home camera or even smartphones. Teams change signals every week, so it wouldn't have help much, accept for some tendencies that you might notice to gain that 1% of competitive advantage.

One thing Shannahan avoid, but everybody knows is the dominating period they had in Elway's last couple of years, they blatantly cheated the cap. When you cheated the cap to get Elway, TD, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, Shannon Sharpe in a same team, with a leg-hunting OL trying to injured everyone, your offense should dominate. Now that was a blatant cheat.

SEA lately have been exposed with "cheating" with their practices. Nobody care, because DEN and SEA doesn't have the consistent success that NE have. Fans outside of NE just so tired of seeing them in the Championship games or SBs every freaken year. Other fans would consider their season a success if their team makes it to the Championship Games. And NE attends the CG almost 10 straight years now. Total domination. That's why they are the target. Everybody lurking and watching them with microscopes, hoping to find anything.

Sometime we just have to respect greatness. The thing I respect about NE and Belichick is that they're having success with their brain, and they earned it, despite many setback and adversity.

Other franchises that had dominating before, they basically bought their championship trophy. There were no salary cap. It's easy for high market teams to build their team that has huge talent discrepancy. NE done all these things with the same salary as everyone else.

[vinabolt]

Sounds like hocus pocus to me. The Steelers were a one-unit kind of team for years under Coach Cowher. The Chiefs were such a team under Coach Schottenheimer. How many Super Bowls did they win? How often were these teams championship contenders? Every year for more than a decade? Nah. They weren't contenders hardly at all. The only reason they made the playoffs so often was because the AFC was weak as fuck back then. And, between those two coaches, the only Super Bowl happened when Rothlisberger was quarterback. You can't win multiple Super Bowls or be a consistent Super Bowl contender in this league without a legitimate starting quarterback. The Patsies shouldn't be 3-0 right now with a backup and a 3rd-stringer. They cheat. It's the only explanation.

I don't recall any game that Cowher and Marty's teams play as 1 unit. Their teams play hard, discpline for the most part, and careful to not turn the ball over.

It's about cohesiveness, understanding each other thinking and tendecies, in sinc with each other. 11 guys play as 1 guy. Great rapport on the field. It's hard to explain in words but you can easily see it on the field. Our game last Sunday is a close example.

You see it from the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warrios for few games. And NE's, mostly from 2001 to 2003. They're not always play like that, but they're the most consistent of all.

When an army fights as one, sometime 100 troops can defeat thousands of enemies. Cowher and Marty couldn't get their teams to that level probably because they lack of X&O skills. It requires complete buy-in, the players believe in the head coach. There are a lot of smart veterans out there, and if they don't really buy-in to your gameplan then the team can't execute as 1 unit.

[bonehead]

No, it isn't. They won last night because they made few mistakes on offense, played great defense and their kickoffs were superb and led to 2 turnovers that turned the game in their favor. Sometimes the simplest explanation is really the answer.

Belichicks Razor?

[FiftyFive]

The Patsies do cheat. But Belicheat is also the Saban of the NFL. Put McCoy in charge of the Patsies, and they could cheat in every phase of the game and still be 0-3. Coaching wins in this league - and sports in general, really - and we haven't had it since Boss Ross got sent packing.

[OhioBolt]

The Patsies do cheat. But Belicheat is also the Saban of the NFL. Put McCoy in charge of the Patsies, and they could cheat in every phase of the game and still be 0-3. Coaching wins in this league - and sports in general, really - and we haven't had it since Boss Ross got sent packing.

Ross took us to our only Super Bowl, but I think Marty Schottenheimer was a coach that could of took us there, Marty just had extremely bad luck\occurrence with all the teams he coached.

In Cleveland
1. The Drive
2. The Fumble

In KC he had Great D always in the playoffs more times than not with average to crappy QBs, or QB's on the last leg
1. Steve Deburg (Average Meltdown in Playoffs)
2. Dave Krieg (OLD best years in Seattle)
3. Joe Montana (Not the 49er Super Bowl Joe, OLD Joe, Old weak arm Joe)
4. Rich Gannon (Average)
5. Steve Bono (He made the Playoff with Bono at QB)
6. Elvis Garbac (ditto same as Bono)


In Washington just one season 8-8 was fired
1. Anybody work for Daniel Snyder will have bad luck

In San Diego we know the Story Playoff night mares with the most talented team in the NFL, dumb plays and bad luck

1.Marlon Mcree - Dumb
2. Drayton Florence -Dumb
3. Kaeding - Not Clutch
4. Jammer getting beat by Reche Caldwell for TD

[richpjr]

Gets even better for the Pats - Brissett supposedly tore a ligament in the thumb of his throwing hand last night.

[Bolt-O]

P*ts get 3 extra days for their animal sacrifice to the win god.