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  • CanadianBoltFan
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    Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

    Pretty much every GM says that. we all know its not strictly true

    It should be a blend - determine your top 3 to 5 positions that need major upgrade, and take BPA within that sub-cluster of positions.
    Yes i agree, and ideally draft the premium positions early that cost a fortune in free agency.....WR, CB, Edge, OT etc...though obviously not OT at this time for this team.

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    • electricgold
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      Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

      Pretty much every GM says that. we all know its not strictly true

      It should be a blend - determine your top 3 to 5 positions that need major upgrade, and take BPA within that sub-cluster of positions.
      Yep! I remember the 2019 season when Anthony Lynn said TT and him were for sure going to draft the BPA when they pick and they promptly went out and drafted Tillery in the 1st, Nazir Aderly in the 2nd and Trey Pipkins in the 3rd!

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      • sonorajim
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        Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

        Data points:
        1. Past: Ravens like to draft WRs early in the draft, arguably to avoid shopping in the FA market. I think they drafted 3 WRs in Rd 1 in the last 7 yrs? (can't recall - I looked it up over a month ago). Last was Zay Flowers 2 yrs ago
        1b. Ravens like to draft TEs.
        2. Recent: Joe traded UP to get a WR he wanted in 2024.

        If people believe Joe is Ozzie/DeCosta West, they should be expecting Joe will select a WR by Day2 and not sign a high price Higgy-type FA.

        e.g. He will follow the DMAC plan to sign two IOL players and fix the line, draft highest FA costing skill positions early: Edge, WR, ... etc., and draft a TE.
        I disagree that Hortiz will draft and sign FAs as if he were a Raven. He ha a different roster.and cap situation.
        I do believe he has a great deal of respect for his previous organization, but this ain't them..
        I do expect IOL, WR2, TE, Edge to be a priority but BPA in the 1st could be a DT.
        I think FA or trade for a quality vet C. Beyond that I think the adds are right. Who , when? Hard to say.

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        • Chargers8491
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          Originally posted by electricgold View Post

          Good chance Loveland will be the pick if he's on the board! Jim loves what he brings to the table and we need a starting TE! He compares him to Kelce!
          I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chargers trade up past the Broncos to get him if they truly covet him.
          Time to put my money where my mouth is: Hampton will be better than Jeanty!

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          • Maniaque 6
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            Originally posted by electricgold View Post

            Yep! I remember the 2019 season when Anthony Lynn said TT and him were for sure going to draft the BPA when they pick and they promptly went out and drafted Tillery in the 1st, Nazir Aderly in the 2nd and Trey Pipkins in the 3rd!
            Outch !!!!!
            Someone want to see the list of these 3 rounds ?

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            • Bolt4Knob
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              Originally posted by Chargers8491 View Post

              I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chargers trade up past the Broncos to get him if they truly covet him.
              Probably will cost a 3rd round pick to jump the Broncos

              Loveland for a 1st/3rd or Myles Garrett for a 1st/3rd if Poppers trade value is correct. Granted, Popper was also willing to pay a 4th for Cooper Kupp and $22m contract

              I get the age factor and the cost factor for Garrett but kind of just comparing the two players.

              I think Charger can get TE in Round 2

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              • CanadianBoltFan
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                Originally posted by sonorajim View Post

                I disagree that Hortiz will draft and sign FAs as if he were a Raven. He ha a different roster.and cap situation.
                I do believe he has a great deal of respect for his previous organization, but this ain't them..
                I do expect IOL, WR2, TE, Edge to be a priority but BPA in the 1st could be a DT.
                I think FA or trade for a quality vet C. Beyond that I think the adds are right. Who , when? Hard to say.
                I really would like one of the top TEs or a weapon in round 1 but I am fully prepared for Hortiz to go DT or Edge at 22 in reality.

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                • CanadianBoltFan
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                  Originally posted by Bolt4Knob View Post

                  Probably will cost a 3rd round pick to jump the Broncos

                  Loveland for a 1st/3rd or Myles Garrett for a 1st/3rd if Poppers trade value is correct. Granted, Popper was also willing to pay a 4th for Cooper Kupp and $22m contract

                  I get the age factor and the cost factor for Garrett but kind of just comparing the two players.

                  I think Charger can get TE in Round 2
                  Who are you thinking we can get at TE in round 2?

                  My fear is after the senior bowl Taylor and Arroyo are gone by 55. Fannin? Round 2 is a bit high for me for Helm or Ferguson

                  What are your thoughts?

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                  • Boltjolt
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                    Originally posted by Boltx View Post


                    Every day I cool more and more to the idea of spending big in FA. We have a lot of holes and still need to extend Slater and bring back guys like Molden, Ford, Tart, etc. Just not a sustainable way to build long term success. See what TT did to us.

                    I'd rather we draft our own Trey Smith. Dude was only a 6th rounder. Hortiz needs to find his own Trey Smith. We have 10 picks, let's make it happen.

                    Fans need to make peace with the fact that Zion and Bozeman will be back next year. I think Pipkins will be replaced. I think/hope Hortiz finds another OG and center of the future in this draft. The 2026 OL likely is the OL of the future. Be patient, next year is prob a small step backwards as we rely on a lot of (exciting) rookies moving forward. Which also means a higher pick in 2026 and more chance of an impact player there, too.

                    Two more years, Bolt fam. Be patient. Don't forget that Harbaugh struggled mightily at first at Michigan. Almost got fired after 2020. Takes time to build these things.
                    Trey Smith was a 6th rounder only because he had some issues with blood clots in his lung...which can kill you.

                    Otherwise he was a 2nd rounder. So if Hortiz can find a OG with possible health issues or something else that drops him, I'm all for it.

                    Here is an article on in

                    Trey Smith's college career came to a frightening halt during his sophomore year at the University of Tennessee, when doctors found multiple blood clots his lungs.
                    1. Mason Taylor TE LSU
                    2. Quinshon Judkins RB Ohio st
                    3. Kyle Kennard Edge So. Carolina
                    ✓
                    4. CJ West DT Indiana
                    5. Don'te Thornton WR Tennessee
                    6. Zah Frazier CB UTSA
                    6. Jarquez Hunter RB Auburn
                    6. Jay Higgins LB Iowa
                    6. Hunter Wohler S Wisconsin
                    7. Carson Vinson OT Alabama

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                    • Bolt4Knob
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                      Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post

                      Who are you thinking we can get at TE in round 2?

                      My fear is after the senior bowl Taylor and Arroyo are gone by 55. Fannin? Round 2 is a bit high for me for Helm or Ferguson

                      What are your thoughts?
                      Thats a great point. Taylor in R2 but you are right - probably gone

                      Helm might be a little early in R3

                      Hence, why I truly think - depending on the board at 22 - this might be the year to trade back - get another pick. Trade back to the top of the 2nd round and get another 3rd rounder -- more of a good quantity
                      again, all depends on teh board at 22

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                      • wu-dai clan
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                        So we now have 5 top 50 TEs. There may be a run before @ #55.

                        A similar thing is on the front burner at EDGE-DE-DT, with more prospects.

                        We can get in there or we can wait for tier two value.
                        We play modern Harball.

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                        • eaterfan
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                          Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post
                          So we now have 5 top 50 TEs. There may be a run before @ #55.

                          A similar thing is on the front burner at EDGE-DE-DT, with more prospects.

                          We can get in there or we can wait for tier two value.
                          I've got 2 top 25 TEs and a bunch in the 75-120 range. IMO if we don't get Warren or Loveland, pass until at least the 3rd.

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