Greg Roman OC Discussion, Part 2

[jamrock]

I just keep trying to figure out how the Chargers have the #1 scoring defense in the NFL...

I mean, we're #14 in total yards against (326 ypg).
10th in passing yards per game is pretty good (206.4)
4th in interceptions is very good...
But 25th in fumble recoveries is not...
10th in total takeaways is pretty good... the 4 takeaways in Atlanta probably padded that stat.
We're average against the run.
Below average in ypc against...

But does all of this add up to the #1 scoring defense...?
Oh, wait, I found it here in the offensive stats... Chargers are #1...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/...ptions/dir/asc
Never mind...

You could have saved yourself trouble and just looked at red zone defense where they are top 3

[AFboltfan]

Oh because I don’t agree with you I should go be a fan of another team? You mad? It’s ok Roman doesn’t need a white knight to defend him, like you said nothings going to happen even if it should.

If you understand anything about coaching you would understand that Harbaugh oversees the offense and gives input be he isn’t running it like Staley did with the D or what other coaches do. Roman calls the plays and he coordinates during the game, it’s called delegation.

Yep, I’m sure it would be exactly the same if we brought someone else in because each OC is exactly the same and doesn’t bring different strengths to the team, are you joking, I hope you’re joking. 😂

I like how you didn't answer a single question and just spouted off nonsense...

[sonorajim]

You could have saved yourself trouble and just looked at red zone defense where they are top 3

Top 3 takeaway/ turnover differential also.

[Budsman]

I like how you didn't answer a single question and just spouted off nonsense...

lol, now you’re just trolling. You couldn’t force me to agree with your lame defense of Roman so you call what I say nonsense. But I’m sure you think what you’re saying makes sense, cool, you do you and keep up the trolling and delusions.

[Budsman]

This is just a really lazy response. Of course, all teams deal with injuries. And when their injuries involve their starting QB, their offense usually fall off a cliff. Just like the Ravens did. How did our O look last year when Herbert missed the end of the season? We were not even faintly competitive. I get the doubt about Roman because the O hasn't looked good. If we had even average talent at the skill positions, I'd be down on him. But we don't. Worst in the league, even when healthy. No OC is going to do much with what we have so I am withholding judgement. So, you can continue beating the Romax sux drum, but it won't matter as he is Jim's guy and going nowhere. I'll wait to judge him when we have an actual roster of NFL starters, not rejects, bandaids and failed draft picks.

My response was lazy, but you just spouted off the laziest reply about the ravens having injuries as if the whole league didn’t deal with them.

[richpjr]

My response was lazy, but you just spouted off the laziest reply about the ravens having injuries as if the whole league didn’t deal with them.

LOL - I can't tell if you actually believe that an injury to your starting QB is not the same as any injury to any other player on the entire team or if you just being deliberately obtuse cuz "Roman sux".

[Budsman]

LOL - I can't tell if you actually believe that an injury to your starting QB is not the same as any injury to any other player on the entire team or if you just being deliberately obtuse cuz "Roman sux".

Really? So only injuries to QBs impact offenses? I known it doesn’t fit your narrative but I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the chargers lost Dobbins and it’s hurt our offense a lot. How about losing multiple Lineman or a star receiver. I can’t believe as a Charger fan you can’t wrap your head around that. The only answer is you just truly believe only losing star QBs can hurt offensive production…

[richpjr]

Really? So only injuries to QBs impact offenses? I known it doesn’t fit your narrative but I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the chargers lost Dobbins and it’s hurt our offense a lot. How about losing multiple Lineman or a star receiver. I can’t believe as a Charger fan you can’t wrap your head around that. The only answer is you just truly believe only losing star QBs can hurt offensive production…

LMAO. I never made that claim anywhere. My point is that an injury to a QB affects the O FAR more than an injury to any other player. You know this. I know this. Everyone on this board knows this. So of course the Ravens stats suffer when Lamar didn't play in 5 games and played hurt in other games in the 2 seasons you cite cuz "Roman sux". It's not complicated.

[AFboltfan]

lol, now you’re just trolling. You couldn’t force me to agree with your lame defense of Roman so you call what I say nonsense. But I’m sure you think what you’re saying makes sense, cool, you do you and keep up the trolling and delusions.

You're not very good at deflecting so let me make it simple for you. If Roman is let go after this year for taking us to the playoffs, and I'll humor you, we go one and done. Next year a new OC takes us to the playoffs and we lose in the wild card round as well... Are you firing his replacement for another OC? At what point do we stop firing coordinators after 1 season with GM Budsman?

I honestly don't care if you answer either because I don't think you have the balls to answer truthfully.

I'll leave this thread just by saying Roman is playing a ************ offense with less than ideal talent and that's what Harbaugh wants. Deal with it.

[richpjr]

I'll leave this thread just by saying Roman is playing a ************ offense with less than ideal talent and that's what Harbaugh wants.

Bingo.

[Budsman]

LMAO. I never made that claim anywhere. My point is that an injury to a QB affects the O FAR more than an injury to any other player. You know this. I know this. Everyone on this board knows this. So of course the Ravens stats suffer when Lamar didn't play in 5 games and played hurt in other games in the 2 seasons you cite cuz "Roman sux". It's not complicated.

Whatever you say. I used actual evidence to prove that Roman has a history of not improving offenses after year one. You brought up a cherry picked point about some injuries as if the Roman is the only OC to deal with injuries those years and that no one can possibly mitigate it. I mean heck do you think there’s a common thread in that offense of Jackson getting injured so often? It’s odd how now that Roman left everyone sees how good of a passer in the pocket Lamar actually is.

But sure you have proven how great Roman was because Lamar got hurt for 2 years for 5 games. There was no chance that a good OC could have overcome that. Whatever…

[Budsman]

You're not very good at deflecting so let me make it simple for you. If Roman is let go after this year for taking us to the playoffs, and I'll humor you, we go one and done. Next year a new OC takes us to the playoffs and we lose in the wild card round as well... Are you firing his replacement for another OC? At what point do we stop firing coordinators after 1 season with GM Budsman?

I honestly don't care if you answer either because I don't think you have the balls to answer truthfully.

I'll leave this thread just by saying Roman is playing a ************ offense with less than ideal talent and that's what Harbaugh wants. Deal with it.

I agree, I’m not good at deflecting, I’m great at pointing out how bad your points are and making Swiss cheese out of your arguments.

It obviously depends on how that season goes. Are we losing games because we can’t score points? Is the defense carrying us and the offense doing everything it can to not score? Is the playcalling vanilla and easily countered in second half by opposing DCs? I could go on but that’s a start. If those are mostly true then yes you move on and then start analyzing myself and questioning what it is that is causing GM Budsman to continually choose bad OCs.

Quid pro quo, now you answer my question. Hypothetically we are one and done in this years playoffs and one and done next year and our offense is continuing its meager performance. How long are you ok with keeping Roman in the role? When do the excuses stop and we start being honest with ourselves about what’s actually holding this team back?