Greg Roman OC Discussion, Part 2

[AFboltfan]

I agree, I’m not good at deflecting, I’m great at pointing out how bad your points are and making Swiss cheese out of your arguments.

It obviously depends on how that season goes. Are we losing games because we can’t score points? Is the defense carrying us and the offense doing everything it can to not score? Is the playcalling vanilla and easily countered in second half by opposing DCs? I could go on but that’s a start. If those are mostly true then yes you move on and then start analyzing myself and questioning what it is that is causing GM Budsman to continually choose bad OCs.

Quid pro quo, now you answer my question. Hypothetically we are one and done in this years playoffs and one and done next year and our offense is continuing its meager performance. How long are you ok with keeping Roman in the role? When do the excuses stop and we start being honest with ourselves about what’s actually holding this team back?

Snarky comments aside, I didn't want Roman from the beginning because of his tenure in Baltimore. But I saw what he has done with the piss poor talent we have and fully understand he is running the offense Harbaugh thinks is best for THIS team. For me though... If Hortiz makes significant changes on the offense next season and brings in some big name talent and they perform, but its evident Roman is holding them back, then yes I would look at replacing him and join your bandwagon. I'm sorry I just don't think criticizing him this year accomplishes anything. You, Top hat, and the canadian guy can keep at it though, its your prerogative.

[DerwinBosa]

Whatever you say. I used actual evidence to prove that Roman has a history of not improving offenses after year one. You brought up a cherry picked point about some injuries as if the Roman is the only OC to deal with injuries those years and that no one can possibly mitigate it. I mean heck do you think there’s a common thread in that offense of Jackson getting injured so often? It’s odd how now that Roman left everyone sees how good of a passer in the pocket Lamar actually is.

But sure you have proven how great Roman was because Lamar got hurt for 2 years for 5 games. There was no chance that a good OC could have overcome that. Whatever…

Oh, yeah, Lamar Jackson is such an improved passer under Monken that, when the Ravens have thrown the ball more than 30 times this season, their record is 2-5, with Lamar completing 62.5 percent of his throws. That doesn't include the AFC Championship Game loss to the Chiefs in Baltimore last January, in which Jackson completed 20 of 37 passes for 272 yards, one touchdown, and one interception. The most common question after that game was, "Why did the Ravens have Lamar throw so much in a close game? That's not his strength."

[jamrock]

Roman on Roman

https://x.com/alexinsdorf99/status/1864772521788158030?s=46&t=Dee5034k4BrrXe6U-h5bEA

[Boltnut]

You could have saved yourself trouble and just looked at red zone defense where they are top 3

I think you missed my point...

[Budsman]

Roman on Roman

https://x.com/alexinsdorf99/status/1...4BrrXe6U-h5bEA

Oh wow, even Greg Roman knows he’s not doing well. Good look for him, some others on this board not so much.

[Budsman]

Oh, yeah, Lamar Jackson is such an improved passer under Monken that, when the Ravens have thrown the ball more than 30 times this season, their record is 2-5, with Lamar completing 62.5 percent of his throws. That doesn't include the AFC Championship Game loss to the Chiefs in Baltimore last January, in which Jackson completed 20 of 37 passes for 272 yards, one touchdown, and one interception. The most common question after that game was, "Why did the Ravens have Lamar throw so much in a close game? That's not his strength."

Ugh are you just trolling or did you not look at any of his passing numbers? It’s common knowledge that he’s become a better passer and it was even stated during the Charger game by the talking heads. Everyone but you seems to know this, you’re just factually wrong. He had one good year under Roman and then, shocker dropped for the next 3 years in a row. He’s currently on pace for his best passing season. This year and last he has a better completion percentage than under Roman, he has more yards than every year under Roman and he’s already beat it this year. He’s on pace to have more TDs and less ints than his 2019 league leading year.

Sorry but you’re just talking out your rear.

If you don’t believe me just go look at his stats, it’s undeniable.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JackLa00.htm

[Budsman]

Snarky comments aside, I didn't want Roman from the beginning because of his tenure in Baltimore. But I saw what he has done with the piss poor talent we have and fully understand he is running the offense Harbaugh thinks is best for THIS team. For me though... If Hortiz makes significant changes on the offense next season and brings in some big name talent and they perform, but its evident Roman is holding them back, then yes I would look at replacing him and join your bandwagon. I'm sorry I just don't think criticizing him this year accomplishes anything. You, Top hat, and the canadian guy can keep at it though, its your prerogative.

Ok I’ll leave the snarky comments aside as well. I don’t expect anything on here to accomplish anything outside of shooting the shit with other charger fans. I never expect my opinion to impact the actual football team. Outside that, it’s just banter amongst fans who disagree. I’ve had my fair share of Charger related heated banter but outside a few who made it truly personal I would still have a beer with you all at a game and root for our chargers.

so in short I engage in threads here not to accomplish anything than banter and opinion trading. It’s fun really or I wouldn’t keep doing it.

[jamrock]

I think you missed my point...

could be but I think I got it

[Budsman]

Not sure what’s gotten into me, call it the holiday spirit or just tired delusions, but I am excited about this team and happy to be wrong about Harbaugh. That guy has grown on me and his leadership is clearly resonating through that locker room. His defensive coordinator hire was outstanding and so far Hortiz looks solid. I also understand that Roman doesn’t have a lot of weapons to work with. Most OCs would fight over coaching Herbert so he’s got him but past Herbert, some Tackles and McConkey the depth isn’t great. I suspect they will build from the inside out this offseason and have more success next year.

My biggest angst is that Roman can’t adapt well enough to the talent at hand. He’s not a Xs and Os guy while Harbaugh is the motivation guy. Minter strikes me as a very cerebral coach who allows Harbaugh to Harbaugh while he schemes up greatness. Roman is just a hammer and everything looks like a nail to him. Maybe it will work long term, heck I hope it works short term too. I’m rooting for them every game but what I see on the field is tough to watch. I’ll give Roman credit where it’s due he did switch gears and start allowing Justin to throw the ball more so there are some green flags there too. I’m rooting for Roman but so far I would give him a D for the season. Not failing but not even average and that worries me.

[DerwinBosa]

Ugh are you just trolling or did you not look at any of his passing numbers? It’s common knowledge that he’s become a better passer and it was even stated during the Charger game by the talking heads. Everyone but you seems to know this, you’re just factually wrong. He had one good year under Roman and then, shocker dropped for the next 3 years in a row. He’s currently on pace for his best passing season. This year and last he has a better completion percentage than under Roman, he has more yards than every year under Roman and he’s already beat it this year. He’s on pace to have more TDs and less ints than his 2019 league leading year.

Sorry but you’re just talking out your rear.

If you don’t believe me just go look at his stats, it’s undeniable.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JackLa00.htm

Yeah, I'm trolling. He had one good year under Roman? That was an MVP season under Roman, in which he threw 36 touchdown passes and six interceptions. That's actually great, not good, but you don't want to say that because you don't want to give Roman any credit. The next year he threw 26 touchdown passes and nine interceptions. That's bad? No, it's actually very good. The following year, 2021, Jackson struggled (16 touchdown passes and 13 interceptions) but he bounced back in 2022 with 17 touchdown passes and seven interceptions in 12 games. This is all without Jackson's top wide receiver right now, as Roman did not have the opportunity to work with Zay Flowers because he was drafted a few months after Roman left.

But, yeah, overlook the FACT that the Ravens are currently 2-5 this season when Lamar throws more than 30 times. Then downplay his shitty performance against the Chiefs in last year's AFC Championship Game. The week before that loss to the Chiefs, the Ravens beat the Texans 34-10. Guess what? Lamar threw the ball only 22 times and had just 152 passing yards. He ran for 100, and the Ravens had 229 rushing yards in total. Against the Chiefs, he threw the ball 37 times and the Ravens put up only 10 points while their running backs carried the ball only eight times for 27 yards (Lamar ran for 54). Maybe you weren't paying attention, but nearly everyone asked the same question: "Why did Monken make Lamar throw the ball that much?"

This is not a mystery, except maybe to you. Take away the Ravens' running game and make Lamar put the ball in the air more...that's your best chance against the Ravens. Unfortunately for most teams, they don't have the defense to stop that running game.

[AFboltfan]

Correct...oh, the irony...someone who complains about people complaining...and Roman's replacement is right there on our staff...Marc Trestman...has been OC both in NFL and HC in the CFL...look at his resume:

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Marc Trestman's record in Baltimore was 13 - 19... He is their 2nd LEAST successful coordinator in Ravens history. Roman is the 3rd most successful @ 43 - 23... I'd rather keep Roman and not hand the keys to Trestman thank you. You should prob just go back to agreeing with everyone elses takes instead of trying to come up with your own.

[jubei]

Ugh are you just trolling or did you not look at any of his passing numbers? It’s common knowledge that he’s become a better passer and it was even stated during the Charger game by the talking heads. Everyone but you seems to know this, you’re just factually wrong. He had one good year under Roman and then, shocker dropped for the next 3 years in a row. He’s currently on pace for his best passing season. This year and last he has a better completion percentage than under Roman, he has more yards than every year under Roman and he’s already beat it this year. He’s on pace to have more TDs and less ints than his 2019 league leading year.

Sorry but you’re just talking out your rear.

If you don’t believe me just go look at his stats, it’s undeniable.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JackLa00.htm

cant say I'm happy with Roman, either. Look at Herbert and how he is doing this year compared to previous years with what we all thought were bad OCs, bad Olines, no RBs...but I'll give him benefit of the doubt cuz of our bad WRs and TEs...but then I also see that JP was much better before this year even when Keenan and MWill were out.