New Stadium Developments...hmmmm

[thelightningwill]

Since before Christ, eh? I'm sure you were just exaggerating, but if you weren't please educate us.

Look up Egypt, Rome, Greece, Sumer. All B.C. All with governments that paid for sports. And, today, government still supports sports.
Not exaggerating.

[Foxbatkllr]

I'm assuming it was Comic Con.

And this is against my point? Explain.

You tried to make a point that the Chargers have more ties to San Diego than Comic Con and that Comic Con is just a business.

I'm all in favor of a new stadium for the Chargers but your presumptions about the nature of Comic Con and the convention center are incorrect.

I feel as though you've completely underestimated the cultural and financial impact of conventions like Comic Con. That, or you feel as though somehow the "nerds" are winning.

[thelightningwill]

You tried to make a point that the Chargers have more ties to San Diego than Comic Con and that Comic Con is just a business.

I'm all in favor of a new stadium for the Chargers but your presumptions about the nature of Comic Con and the convention center are incorrect.

I feel as though you've completely underestimated the cultural and financial impact of conventions like Comic Con. That, or you feel as though somehow the "nerds" are winning.

My point was that governments, in general, have a greater tie to professional sports teams. This has been going on since civilization began.

It's my opinion that the city should not use its money to give an advantage to certain businesses over others. But, if it was going to support the Chargers over Comic Con, it would make more sense as far as history is concerned.

Comic Con is for nerds, but that wasn't my point. If somebody wants to dress up like Batman and look at comic-book related stuff, so-be-it. Just don't expect the taxpayers to support your hobby.

I know, a Comic Con nerd can say the same thing about us Chargers fan nerds dressing up like football players and expecting the city to support our favorite team. And I'd agree it's total bullshit. But it's bullshit that has been a part of humanity for thousands of years.

[Panama]

Look up Egypt, Rome, Greece, Sumer. All B.C. All with governments that paid for sports. And, today, government still supports sports.
Not exaggerating.

Well, I was just in Rome a few weeks ago, traipsing through the Colisseum, and all that stuff was very much after Christ. But maybe they're all lying.

Granted, I was in Crete a little over a month ago, and the Minoans did have bull sports right outside their cities 4000 years ago. No mention of government subsidies, though. How much does it cost to jump over bulls?

I had assumed you'd been referring to gladiatorial sports in Rome, in which case your timeline is wrong. But I had neglected the Greek Olympics and I have no knowledge of Sumerian or Egyptian sports. Do we know this stuff was government subsidised in any material way?

[Foxbatkllr]

My point was that governments, in general, have a greater tie to professional sports teams. This has been going on since civilization began.

It's my opinion that the city should not use its money to give an advantage to certain businesses over others. But, if it was going to support the Chargers over Comic Con, it would make more sense as far as history is concerned.

Comic Con is for nerds, but that wasn't my point. If somebody wants to dress up like Batman and look at comic-book related stuff, so-be-it. Just don't expect the taxpayers to support your hobby.

I know, a Comic Con nerd can say the same thing about us Chargers fan nerds dressing up like football players and expecting the city to support our favorite team. And I'd agree it's total bullshit. But it's bullshit that has been a part of humanity for thousands of years.

Governments have also historically supported religion and heinous crimes/conquests.

Also, let's stop trying to narrow this to just Comic-Con. Like I said originally, conventions (not just for nerds) bring millions of dollars to the surrounding area constantly and an expanded convention center will bring even more conventions.

[thelightningwill]

Well, I was just in Rome a few weeks ago, traipsing through the Colisseum, and all that stuff was very much after Christ. But maybe they're all lying.

Granted, I was in Crete a little over a month ago, and the Minoans did have bull sports right outside their cities 4000 years ago. No mention of government subsidies, though. How much does it cost to jump over bulls?

I had assumed you'd been referring to gladiatorial sports in Rome, in which case your timeline is wrong. But I had neglected the Greek Olympics and I have no knowledge of Sumerian or Egyptian sports. Do we kn ow this stuff was government subsidised in any material way?

I envy your trips across the globe. Rome was around before and after the year 1.

[Panama]

I envy your trips across the globe. Rome was around before and after the year 1.

Please, me going to Rome or Crete is like a San Diegan going to Seattle!

Rome's been around for a while, but state-sponsored Roman games are a bit more recent. Unless they lied to everyone in Rome.

[thelightningwill]

Please, me going to Rome or Crete is like a San Diegan going to Seattle!

Rome's been around for a while, but state-sponsored Roman games are a bit more recent. Unless they lied to everyone in Rome.

Greeks had the Olympics before Rome was built. Roman games started during the time of the Republic, which was before Christ. Babylon, I think, was into chariot racing before Greece was a thought. Ancient tribes had ball courts built next to homes of chiefs in Latin America about 3000 years ago.

To be fair to the Comic Con and convention center fans, I'd be wrong to leave out the ancient market places built for businesses.

[Den60]

Acee is an idiot. And I can't read the second page of this article because I need a subscription. Blah.

Idiot? Why? A lot of seats in the stadium suck and are hard to sell. When we had the last Superbowl we had to tarp a good number of seats because they were obstructed view. If you want to read the UTSD all you need to do is use your privacy option (incognito view on Chrome) in your browser.

I do think the fact that we have a bad team influences whether people here want to drop a to of money down for season tickets. And hell, how many blackouts have we had against those that were threatened over the past few years? A very small percentage. I can say with absolute conviction that I see more of the game watching it on TV that being at the game since my seat is on the aisle under cover. People are constantly walking up and down the aisle while the plays are on with many just standing there watching the play with a couple of beers in their hands. Yes, it isn't surprising to know that I tell them to sit their ass down.

[Panama]

Greeks had the Olympics before Rome was built. Roman games started during the time of the Republic, which was before Christ. Babylon, I think, was into chariot racing before Greece was a thought. Ancient tribes had ball courts built next to homes of chiefs in Latin America about 3000 years ago.

To be fair to the Comic Con and convention center fans, I'd be wrong to leave out the ancient market places built for businesses.

Yes, I conceded the Greek Olympics in a previous response. And I conceded my ignorance of sport in other ancient cultures as well.

But as for Roman games: Public games during the Republic were sponsored by wealthy individuals, not by the state. The state did not sponsor public sport until Imperial times -- after Christ.

But whatever. If you want to insist, feel free. It makes no difference to your argument about the long history of state-sponsored sport.

[thelightningwill]

Yes, I conceded the Greek Olympics in a previous response. And I conceded my ignorance of sport in other ancient cultures as well.

But as for Roman games: Public games during the Republic were sponsored by wealthy individuals, not by the state. The state did not sponsor public sport until Imperial times -- after Christ.

But whatever. If you want to insist, feel free. It makes no difference to your argument about the lon
g history of state-sponsored sport.

I missed the Olympic concession. I don't insist on any of this. I could be wrong - just going by what I've read.
By state-sponsored sport, I mean the building of arenas. Rome had a sporting arena before Christ. First gladiator fights were at least partly paid for by the military.
Today the government still builds arenas for sporting teams. I don't mean the government pays for the players or trainers.

[6025]

Rome had a sporting arena before Christ.

This is true.