Welcome Coach Butch Barry - Fixing the Offensive Line

[dmac_bolt]

Then who do you have at RG? Release Becton, Boze and that pays for Zion and then some. Then go sign Linderbaum and draft your RG early. My choices have been clear and repeated with Brian Parker Jr. or Keylan Rutledge. Sign Zion to 3 years $36 mil. so when his contract is up, you then resign Alt and have drafted Zion’s replacement.

I personally don’t think they should have 2 rookies on the line. I also don’t want to spend the top 2 picks on Oline. I would rather have 1 IOL and 1IDL in the first 2 picks like Lee Hunter in the 1st and 1 of those 2 RGs I mentioned.

You can release Dissly and Dupree to go resign Tart for 3 years $24 mil.

There are 25 names above Zion … use your imagination

[gzubeck]

I am asking why doesn’t anyone want to try to sign one of the 25 names above him? Whats with the knee jerk re-sign Zion movement about?

In fairness, some here do get it and do propose signing an OG that played better than Zion. Just not enough for my liking …. I’m pushing for unanimity

Because Zion had Roman + Devlin as incompetent coaches and should play better at a higher ranking when you plug in better players around him. Basically he was the best of the rest on our oline.

[gzubeck]

Did Herbert request a trade ?

Did John Spanos say protect Justin, Jim n Joe, or get out of town ?

Inquiring minds need to know.

I think Herbert has a right to be pissed at Jim for foisting Roman on Him. Hortiz less so because he tried to improve the oline. The coaching was just awful and with a good coordinator I think we could have mustered mid tier oline capability.

[YAC]

I’m all about resigning Zion, plug him next to Linderbaum and then sign Dalton Risner for a back up roll. He quietly had a good year. Draft either Brian Parker Jr. or Keylan Rutledge in the 2nd. Done!

I like the plan, but have one irksome consideration, something we all are avoiding considering on this site: The nature of Slater's injury. It's Incredibly painful to consider, I get it.

But here it is:

I ask AI about the seriousness of a torn patellar tendon injury, compared to other injuries for NFL players. Got this reply:

"Compared to ACL tears:

• ACL: many players return to near-normal performance
• Patellar tendon: far lower return-to-form rates

Studies and NFL history show:

• Many players never regain prior explosiveness
• Career length after return is often short
  Some never play another meaningful snap"

We should/must consider drafting a premium lineman who can play OT and guard.

I despise AI with all my heart. But I admit sometimes it can be wicked smart, especially in gathering known data and drawing a conclusion. After getting this reply from AI...I hate it that much more.

[Boltinloudguy]

There are 25 names above Zion … use your imagination

Yes but about half of them played way less snaps than Zion. So who knows what their score would have been with as many snaps. On top of that Zion had the worst C next to him in football.

[Boltinloudguy]

I like the plan, but have one irksome consideration, something we all are avoiding considering on this site: The nature of Slater's injury. It's Incredibly painful to consider, I get it.

But here it is:

I ask AI about the seriousness of a torn patellar tendon injury, compared to other injuries for NFL players. Got this reply:

"Compared to ACL tears:

• ACL: many players return to near-normal performance
• Patellar tendon: far lower return-to-form rates

Studies and NFL history show:

• Many players never regain prior explosiveness
• Career length after return is often short
  Some never play another meaningful snap"

We should/must consider drafting a premium lineman who can play OT and guard.

I despise AI with all my heart. But I admit sometimes it can be wicked smart, especially in gathering known data and drawing a conclusion. After getting this reply from AI...I hate it that much more.

I agree there needs to be a precautionary measure taken this offseason regarding Slater. That’s why I have them signing a guy like Max Mitchell. I’d even bring back Salyer. If he can return 75-80% for the next 3 years, I’m all for it. That gives them time to draft his replacement. Then he can retire early. 9 year career in the NFL is still a good career.

[Chargers8491]

I am asking why doesn’t anyone want to try to sign one of the 25 names above him? Whats with the knee jerk re-sign Zion movement about?

In fairness, some here do get it and do propose signing an OG that played better than Zion. Just not enough for my liking …. I’m pushing for unanimity

Oh, got it thanks!

I'm indifferent with Zion. Whatever they decide to do with him I'm ok. He did improve over this year with a shitty OC and Oline coach so there is that.

Personally, I think he is going to test free agent market, and some team is going to overpay for him. It's happened the last couple of years with OGs.

[dmac_bolt]

Yes but about half of them played way less snaps than Zion. So who knows what their score would have been with as many snaps. On top of that Zion had the worst C next to him in football.

I 100% agree that all 25 names above him are not viable alternatives. Ok - this is great, at least we’re starting to evaluate other options. it’s a cursory dismissal without actually analyzing them, but we’re getting started and thats a step forward. Even if we cross off all OGs that didn’t start every game, that assessment doesn’t get us to zero other OG options. let’s keep going. It’s all I ask for. Just like the Bozeman vs Linderbaum debate, there are options between those two conclusions nobody has properly analyzed yet.

I don’t claim to be a great IOL talent scout, I’m not. but we have people here that do claim they are. Where is their homework? Where’s their mid-terms? If they only solve one problem (Zion) on the final exam, they are gonna fail the course.

If Zion is still the best option to re-sign than right on, lets get it! It’s proper to perform analysis of all options. That is all I’m saying. Zion had some great moments, and he had some horrible moments. Not all horrible moments were due to Bozeman. maybe he’s still the right option to sign, ???

[dmac_bolt]

I agree there needs to be a precautionary measure taken this offseason regarding Slater. That’s why I have them signing a guy like Max Mitchell. I’d even bring back Salyer. If he can return 75-80% for the next 3 years, I’m all for it. That gives them time to draft his replacement. Then he can retire early. 9 year career in the NFL is still a good career.

I’m no expert, not by a mile. The relatively little I’ve read seems to predict that success rate inversely correlates to how much acceleration/“explosion” is required to be elite. I think OTs have a better chance as they rely on strength vs explosion to be elite whereas other positions like WR or RB do much worse.

Thats my happy hopium pill anyway …

[Boltjolt]

I like the plan, but have one irksome consideration, something we all are avoiding considering on this site: The nature of Slater's injury. It's Incredibly painful to consider, I get it.

But here it is:

I ask AI about the seriousness of a torn patellar tendon injury, compared to other injuries for NFL players. Got this reply:

"Compared to ACL tears:

• ACL: many players return to near-normal performance
• Patellar tendon: far lower return-to-form rates

Studies and NFL history show:

• Many players never regain prior explosiveness
• Career length after return is often short
  Some never play another meaningful snap"

We should/must consider drafting a premium lineman who can play OT and guard.

I despise AI with all my heart. But I admit sometimes it can be wicked smart, especially in gathering known data and drawing a conclusion. After getting this reply from AI...I hate it that much more.

Well again, I think that's mostly skill players. I don't know how many OL have had a Pateller injury but one I do know if is KCs LT that seems fine from his. Don't know who else has had one.

OL don't need to run down field very far or cut and be explosive out of those cuts.

[Boltinloudguy]

I 100% agree that all 25 names above him are not viable alternatives. Ok - this is great, at least we’re starting to evaluate other options. it’s a cursory dismissal without actually analyzing them, but we’re getting started and thats a step forward. Even if we cross off all OGs that didn’t start every game, that assessment doesn’t get us to zero other OG options. let’s keep going. It’s all I ask for. Just like the Bozeman vs Linderbaum debate, there are options between those two conclusions nobody has properly analyzed yet.

I don’t claim to be a great IOL talent scout, I’m not. but we have people here that do claim they are. Where is their homework? Where’s their mid-terms? If they only solve one problem (Zion) on the final exam, they are gonna fail the course.

If Zion is still the best option to re-sign than right on, lets get it! It’s proper to perform analysis of all options. That is all I’m saying. Zion had some great moments, and he had some horrible moments. Not all horrible moments were due to Bozeman. maybe he’s still the right option to sign, ???

I am no expert either. I just think they sign Zion because they love him, he’s shown improvement and his C was the worst in the league. I’m all for them signing McGovern as well. Cade Mays could be another C worth kicking the tires on. Especially if they get an OLine coach like Frank Smith or Bill Callahan. I do hope they sign a couple backup options as well like Dalton Risner, Will Hernandez, Elijah Vera Tucker. Aaron Stinnie. I know Vera Tucker is injury prone, but sign him to a league minimum and have him battle it out.

[jamrock]

I agree there needs to be a precautionary measure taken this offseason regarding Slater. That’s why I have them signing a guy like Max Mitchell. I’d even bring back Salyer. If he can return 75-80% for the next 3 years, I’m all for it. That gives them time to draft his replacement. Then he can retire early. 9 year career in the NFL is still a good career.

Jamaree Salyer was the Slater insurance policy all along. It was insane that the staff didn't realize that from the jump. It's like they weren't aware of the 2022 tape. Or couldn't make that judgment based on practice. Instead they wasted draft picks on Deculus and Penning, neither of whom could handle the job.