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  • Boltjolt
    Dont let the PBs fool ya
    • Jun 2013
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    The Raiders wont be a threat this season. I dont think so anyways. Too many rookies to to rely on and half of them probably wont make it in the league. Half of everyones draft picks dont pan out on average. Not to mention Grudens scheme is so complex it will take most the season for them to get comfortable in it.

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    • like54ninjas
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      Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
      The Raiders wont be a threat this season. I dont think so anyways. Too many rookies to to rely on and half of them probably wont make it in the league. Half of everyones draft picks dont pan out on average. Not to mention Grudens scheme is so complex it will take most the season for them to get comfortable in it.
      They won't contend for a PO birth but they are improved quite a bit and will win more games. They are not complete but are adding talent. Hopefully chuckie ruins them on the field.
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      • Boltnut
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        • Feb 2019
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        Originally posted by Steve View Post

        Thats how blocking schemes work for the most part. OL read the blitz, then everyone gets a guy. IF TB is going to rush just 4 guys (with White being the 4th), then what is the point?
        The point to any 3-4 is to bring pressure from different places and in multiple ways. It used to be that the 3-4 brought pressure from outside with their OLB's. But now QB's get rid of the ball quicker and teams are trying to figure out how to bring pressure up the middle (quickest distance between A and B).

        The other important thing is to get more DB's onto the field in nickle and dime formations. In Tampa's case, they will probably bring in Deione Buchanon for one of SAM/OLB positions. And one of the several CB's they drafted for the WILL/OLB positions... or Lavonte David if they wanted. Hypothetically (with the number of DB's they now have) they could even go "penny"... a 3-1-7. And TB would actually have the personnel to go "penny". The problem with "penny" (as we found out) is that you are weak against the run. TB wouldn't be if they used Suh, Vea, and Beau Allen as their 3 DL and Devin White as their MLB. In this formation, White could bring blitz pressure up the middle or drop into coverage after reading the lone RB.

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        • Boltnut
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          • Feb 2019
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          Originally posted by Panamamike View Post

          Suh was eating up double teams for Donald? LOL. NOBODY would double suh and leave donald 1 on 1. Suh took most of the season off and showed up for the playoffs
          Teams were forced to do it on a regular basis. They would line Suh up at NT or shade; then they would move Donald out to DE and put a rush OLB over his outside shoulder. The OT would be responsible for OLB. The opposite side OG, along with the center, would have to block Suh; and Donald would be 1-on-1 with the OG. It happened a lot.

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          • Steve
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            • Jun 2013
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            Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

            The point to any 3-4 is to bring pressure from different places and in multiple ways. It used to be that the 3-4 brought pressure from outside with their OLB's. But now QB's get rid of the ball quicker and teams are trying to figure out how to bring pressure up the middle (quickest distance between A and B).

            The other important thing is to get more DB's onto the field in nickle and dime formations. In Tampa's case, they will probably bring in Deione Buchanon for one of SAM/OLB positions. And one of the several CB's they drafted for the WILL/OLB positions... or Lavonte David if they wanted. Hypothetically (with the number of DB's they now have) they could even go "penny"... a 3-1-7. And TB would actually have the personnel to go "penny". The problem with "penny" (as we found out) is that you are weak against the run. TB wouldn't be if they used Suh, Vea, and Beau Allen as their 3 DL and Devin White as their MLB. In this formation, White could bring blitz pressure up the middle or drop into coverage after reading the lone RB.
            The point of the 34 may be to bring pressure from any position, but not all the positions bring pressure equally. Look a the the sack totals of ILB, then tell me how many are really all that successful at it.

            As you point out, the idea of the 34 is kinda dead anyway. Teams play it a small fraction of the time, so the DB are the important part. TB may have a lot of DB on their roster, but if you have a bunch of scrubs playng the nickel and dime positions, your defenses is going to suck balls. Nickel and dime DB play the vast majority of the snaps. LB and NT are part-time players. So, where is it better to spend a teams draft capital or salary cap space. You need to put those on the field, not on the bench. TB has a couple of high ranked CB, and their starting S are OK. It will depend a lot on how quickly the draft picks at CB they have taken in the last 2 seasons at CB pan out, but last year their CB did not play that great. They are also counting on the 2 CB they took this year to be their nickel and dime guys, which means they will be forced to play a lot. Without much of a pass rush on the edges, they will probably struggle. Vea and Suh are not exactly the consistent pass rushers, if for no other reason that big guys wear down fast. If they are going to get a lot of pressure on the QB, it will have to come from Spence and Barrett, althoughb if Vea and Suh can push the pocket some, it will help them a lot. But Spence and Barrett are the keys unless JPP can come back quickly.

            White will be used on a lot of blitzes, but like any other LB who blitzes in the Bowles D, they are going to have a hard time, consistently beating the blockers. All blocking scheme favor blocking the inside blitzers. Inside guys are ALWAYS picked up in preference to the outside guys, because the outside guys have further to go, and that gives the QB a chance to throw it away or make a play. Again, look at who the pass rushers and pressure players are, and the list has NEVER included ILB. Just the way it is. The blitz to more about getting one on one matchups and forcing the QB to throw quickly.

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            • Steve
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              Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

              Teams were forced to do it on a regular basis. They would line Suh up at NT or shade; then they would move Donald out to DE and put a rush OLB over his outside shoulder. The OT would be responsible for OLB. The opposite side OG, along with the center, would have to block Suh; and Donald would be 1-on-1 with the OG. It happened a lot.
              Forget the NT and DE stuff in the 34. Vea and Suh are both going to line up like DT in the 43. Suh may be listed as a DE in their base D, but like every other team in the NFL, TB will play their nickel adn dime rush line far more than their base D. So, Vea and Suh will be lined up like 43 DT. IF they don't, then both will be a waste of resources for TB.

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              • NoMoreChillies
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                • Sep 2018
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                Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
                The Raiders wont be a threat this season. I dont think so anyways. Too many rookies to to rely on and half of them probably wont make it in the league. Half of everyones draft picks dont pan out on average. Not to mention Grudens scheme is so complex it will take most the season for them to get comfortable in it.
                I reckon 2020 will see Raiders contend for playoffs and continue to contend for division for 3+ years.

                Despite all the hate they get, Gruden and Mayock are no dummies.

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                • Panamamike
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                  • Jun 2013
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                  Originally posted by NoMoreChillies View Post

                  I reckon 2020 will see Raiders contend for playoffs and continue to contend for division for 3+ years.

                  Despite all the hate they get, Gruden and Mayock are no dummies.
                  I am far from convinced about that.

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                  • jamrock
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                    • Sep 2017
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                    Originally posted by NoMoreChillies View Post

                    I reckon 2020 will see Raiders contend for playoffs and continue to contend for division for 3+ years.

                    Despite all the hate they get, Gruden and Mayock are no dummies.
                    They just picked up Ritchie Incognito

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                    • Panamamike
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                      Originally posted by jamrock View Post

                      They just picked up Ritchie Incognito
                      Building a solid locker room Lol. Their line is crap but he is what 35 now?

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                      • jamrock
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                        Originally posted by Panamamike View Post

                        Building a solid locker room Lol. Their line is crap but he is what 35 now?
                        Ritchie and Burfict together in the same lockerroom. What could go wrong?

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                        • Boltjolt
                          Dont let the PBs fool ya
                          • Jun 2013
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                          Originally posted by Panamamike View Post

                          Building a solid locker room Lol. Their line is crap but he is what 35 now?
                          He is indeed 35 and crazy. Dont know why Gruden would want him in the locker room.

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