Tom Brady Reportedly Interested in the Chargers If He Leaves Patriots

[SDBORN]

Everybody wants to have the best at every position. Guess what there is only 1 best player at each position, the other 31 teams will have to work with good to very good. HH is very, very good and it would be foolish to keep Green in hopes that he learns how to catch, and then not fumble when he does catch it. Trying to penny pinch at every position is why we are here now.

I agree about the penny pinching as you can see by my posts elsewhere on the forum. And I definitely don't believe green is the solution at the position. But at same time it's about value and not overspending severely on a guy who who has had injuries, some gimme drops this year and has not shown he is elite. Elite and best are not synonymous here.

I just wouldn't put henry in elite category. He is good though. I just wouldn't pay him top 5 TE cash at this point in his career.

[Critty]

Why wouldn't you give a QB credit for being able to complete more passes and longer passes than someone who completes fewer, shorter passes? He gets credit for that and penalized for the turnovers.

He did get credit.
The Basic Passer rating was 88.5 to 88.0

Rivers does like to throw bombs. But he also tossed a lot of short passes to ekeler.

What I am saying is it is a wierd stat. 1 less touchdown 12 more ints. but .5 better passer rating than more TDs and less INts.

The important thing is to Score and not turn the ball over.
Completion percentage and yards can be very empty stats if it does not lead to Scores and Wins.

QBR is looking at overall play. Not just rating a stat.

Rivers was not a better player than Brady last year or any year ....except maybe 2009 when Philip carried the team and played like an MVP.

[Guest]

I hear Alex Smith is trying to stage a comeback.

I would pass on Smith too, especially after his injury.

[Guest]

Wow. Nonsense. Your Brady hate is so strong that your brain can't think straight.

Brady has been to 9 Superbowls.
Rivers has been to Zero.
Brady just lead his team to 11 straight division titles.
Rivers has not won the AFC west for 10 years.

But lets look at just this last year 2019. Brady did more with less on offense.

Brady
24 pass TDs
3 rush TDs
8 Ints
4 Fumbles
QBR 52.5
Worse Receivers
O-line/Pass Block win Rate 58%
Team Rushing 3.8 per carry


Rivers
23 pass TDs
0 rush TDs
20 Ints
8 fumbles
QBR 48.9
Better Recievers
O-line/Pass Block win Rate 58%
Team Rushing 4.0 per carry


One more thing.
I have seen Rivers smiling and having fun on the field even when the team is losing. (teammates see this)
Brady will be up 17 points and still angry they are not playing better. (teammates see this)

It simply amazes me how people continuously confuse team results with individual accomplishments.

Being on a Super Bowl team means absolutely nothing in terms of how good or not good an indivudual player is. Stan Humphries started in the only Super Bowl in which the Chargers played. He was nowhere near as good as either Fouts or Rivers.

Morevover, even if playing in a Super Bowl did matter in terms of comparing the careers of players (and it does not), we are talking about Brady versus Rivers in 2020 not whenever the Patriots played in a bunch of Super Bowls. Tom Brady is more than 4 years older than Rivers and will be 43 when the next NFL regular season begins. He is in physical decline to the point that his QB friendly scheme cannot hide it any longer. Rivers has shown absolutely zero signs of being in physicial decline.

QB rating is an important NFL stat that evaluates the quality of a quarterback's performance on a per pass basis. QBR or Total QBR is a useless ESPN made up bull**** stat that uses incorrect (and, frankly, stupid) premises to reach poor conclusions. The NFL does not recognize QBR/Total QBR as a proper statistic with good reason.

Rivers played for a worse OL than Brady (as most of us could plainly see all season long) and he had no meaningful deep threat all season long, which allowed defenders to sit on short routes. Rivers had a higher QB rating than Brady in 2019 despite having no OL.

Rivers is known as one of the most fiery and intense competitors in the NFL. Anyone suggesting that Rivers is not a fiery competitor simply does not know Rivers at all.

So, yes, in 2020, Brady is a downgrade from Rivers.

[Boltjolt]

He did get credit.
The Basic Passer rating was 88.5 to 88.0

Rivers does like to throw bombs. But he also tossed a lot of short passes to ekeler.

What I am saying is it is a wierd stat. 1 less touchdown 12 more ints. but .5 better passer rating than more TDs and less INts.

The important thing is to Score and not turn the ball over.
Completion percentage and yards can be very empty stats if it does not lead to Scores and Wins.

QBR is looking at overall play. Not just rating a stat.

Rivers was not a better player than Brady last year or any year ....except maybe 2009 when Philip carried the team and played like an MVP.

Not Rivers fault we had three fumbles at the goal line in loses that could have been wins without them.

[like54ninjas]

Not Rivers fault we had three fumbles at the goal line in loses that could have been wins without them.

Turnovers make and break games, seasons, and careers.

[Critty]

Not Rivers fault we had three fumbles at the goal line in loses that could have been wins without them.

Very true.
And not anybody's fault but Rivers for the redzone interceptions in loses that could have been wins without them.

[PR#1]

It simply amazes me how people continuously confuse team results with individual accomplishments.

Being on a Super Bowl team means absolutely nothing in terms of how good or not good an indivudual player is. Stan Humphries started in the only Super Bowl in which the Chargers played. He was nowhere near as good as either Fouts or Rivers.

Morevover, even if playing in a Super Bowl did matter in terms of comparing the careers of players (and it does not), we are talking about Brady versus Rivers in 2020 not whenever the Patriots played in a bunch of Super Bowls. Tom Brady is more than 4 years older than Rivers and will be 43 when the next NFL regular season begins. He is in physical decline to the point that his QB friendly scheme cannot hide it any longer. Rivers has shown absolutely zero signs of being in physicial decline.

QB rating is an important NFL stat that evaluates the quality of a quarterback's performance on a per pass basis. QBR or Total QBR is a useless ESPN made up bull**** stat that uses incorrect (and, frankly, stupid) premises to reach poor conclusions. The NFL does not recognize QBR/Total QBR as a proper statistic with good reason.

Rivers played for a worse OL than Brady (as most of us could plainly see all season long) and he had no meaningful deep threat all season long, which allowed defenders to sit on short routes. Rivers had a higher QB rating than Brady in 2019 despite having no OL.

Rivers is known as one of the most fiery and intense competitors in the NFL. Anyone suggesting that Rivers is not a fiery competitor simply does not know Rivers at all.

So, yes, in 2020, Brady is a downgrade from Rivers.

Great post.

You would think that this would shut the Rivers haters up, but somehow I doubt it.

[captaind]

It simply amazes me how people continuously confuse team results with individual accomplishments.

Being on a Super Bowl team means absolutely nothing in terms of how good or not good an indivudual player is. Stan Humphries started in the only Super Bowl in which the Chargers played. He was nowhere near as good as either Fouts or Rivers.

Morevover, even if playing in a Super Bowl did matter in terms of comparing the careers of players (and it does not), we are talking about Brady versus Rivers in 2020 not whenever the Patriots played in a bunch of Super Bowls. Tom Brady is more than 4 years older than Rivers and will be 43 when the next NFL regular season begins. He is in physical decline to the point that his QB friendly scheme cannot hide it any longer. Rivers has shown absolutely zero signs of being in physicial decline.

QB rating is an important NFL stat that evaluates the quality of a quarterback's performance on a per pass basis. QBR or Total QBR is a useless ESPN made up bull**** stat that uses incorrect (and, frankly, stupid) premises to reach poor conclusions. The NFL does not recognize QBR/Total QBR as a proper statistic with good reason.

Rivers played for a worse OL than Brady (as most of us could plainly see all season long) and he had no meaningful deep threat all season long, which allowed defenders to sit on short routes. Rivers had a higher QB rating than Brady in 2019 despite having no OL.

Rivers is known as one of the most fiery and intense competitors in the NFL. Anyone suggesting that Rivers is not a fiery competitor simply does not know Rivers at all.

So, yes, in 2020, Brady is a downgrade from Rivers.

Brady wins when it matters. So did Stan.

Competitive is not synonymous with winning.

[Critty]

It simply amazes me how people continuously confuse team results with individual accomplishments.

Being on a Super Bowl team means absolutely nothing in terms of how good or not good an indivudual player is. Stan Humphries started in the only Super Bowl in which the Chargers played. He was nowhere near as good as either Fouts or Rivers.

Morevover, even if playing in a Super Bowl did matter in terms of comparing the careers of players (and it does not), we are talking about Brady versus Rivers in 2020 not whenever the Patriots played in a bunch of Super Bowls. Tom Brady is more than 4 years older than Rivers and will be 43 when the next NFL regular season begins. He is in physical decline to the point that his QB friendly scheme cannot hide it any longer. Rivers has shown absolutely zero signs of being in physicial decline.

QB rating is an important NFL stat that evaluates the quality of a quarterback's performance on a per pass basis. QBR or Total QBR is a useless ESPN made up bull**** stat that uses incorrect (and, frankly, stupid) premises to reach poor conclusions. The NFL does not recognize QBR/Total QBR as a proper statistic with good reason.

Rivers played for a worse OL than Brady (as most of us could plainly see all season long) and he had no meaningful deep threat all season long, which allowed defenders to sit on short routes. Rivers had a higher QB rating than Brady in 2019 despite having no OL.

Rivers is known as one of the most fiery and intense competitors in the NFL. Anyone suggesting that Rivers is not a fiery competitor simply does not know Rivers at all.

So, yes, in 2020, Brady is a downgrade from Rivers.

Its simply amazing the crazy bias of the QB on your favorite team. And the verifiably false statements in your post. You clearly did not watch the Patriots o line....they were injured and horrible this year. Rivers shows no signs of decline, even though former players and coaches said he looks like he is getting old this year. And he had his worse season of his career in term of TD/INT. (I know the line is 100% to fault, Rivers is beyond reproach)

Im also guessing you never coach before.
Let me tell you....if you have a great great player, it helps a lot in terms of winning in team sports.
A great QB, a great point guard, a great pitcher, a great forward or goalie in soccer or hockey. It matters a lot. It always starts with talent in any sport.

Yes it is still team. But you take Jordan off the Bulls and they do not win any championships.
And it is very possible you take Brady off Patriots and they do not win any championships.

don't dis Stan Humphries. He made the plays.

I have you down as Mahomes sucks its all Andy Reid, Lawrence will be way better than Burrow. Rivers is better than Brady in 2020.

I'll bet you Brady has a better year next year than Rivers. And Burrow has a better career than Lawrence. Amd I'll bet you that if Reid retires any time soon , Mahomes will be great without him.
Somebody will eat crow. Good luck.

[Boltjolt]

Very true.
And not anybody's fault but Rivers for the redzone interceptions in loses that could have been wins without them.

Agree as well but you said the important thing is to score while comparing Brady and Rivers stats and he got us down to score only to have Ekeler fumble twice at the GL and Gordon once.

Had we scored in those situations, maybe he has a few more wins and a few less INTs with a lead instead of trying to make something happen.

Yes he did throw some INTs throwing deep at times too but he was trying to possibly get a call to gain big chunks. Just didn't happen.

Threw a bad pass to Ekeler in the EZ that got picked so yes he had his bad decisions but he wasn't alone in those loses.

[Critty]

Great post.

You would think that this would shut the Rivers haters up, but somehow I doubt it.

it might if it was not so biased with verifiably false info.

I love Rivers. Im just not blinded by my love that I make excuses for him or call Charger fans that have legit criticism of him haters.

Rivers just had the worst year of his career and this guy said he shows no signs of decline.

And he also said Brady line was better. But the Patriot line was injured and statistically terrible this year in both pass and run. Brady recievers were worse too. The only thing better on Patriots last year was their defense .......and their QB.