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[CanadianBoltFan]

Norv:

2007 AFC Championship
2008 another win over Manning back to back years in the playoffs would of hosted AFC Championship game in San Diego had we beat Pitt
2009 13-3
2010 #1 Offense #1 Defense

Much better resume than those other clowns

What you are leaving out is a couple of things.

Norv didnt build anything. He INHERITED the best Chargers team in history, and yes he won a couple of playoff games but so could alot of coaches with that roster.

Norv had a couple of winning seasons with all that talent he was given to work with ....11-5 and 13-3 but you are not mentioning he also led the best Charger team ever to mediocrity. With that roster the Chargers should have had a good long run like other AFC powers have done. In 4 of the 6 years Norv coached our most talented team ever they were 8-8, 9-7, 8-8, 7-9, ....mediocre...which is consistent with Norv's overall body of work. The best roster we have ever had lost 3 times in the divisional round and made it past that ONCE.

Why I didnt like the hiring the day it was announced... it is bizarre to fire Marty right after a franchise record 14-2 season and replace him with a career sub 500 coach who was always a better OC than HC.

Norvs career coaching record was 114-122, not even a 500 coach. Take a good look at his HC record. Other than one 10-6 season in Washington his ONLY good records were the 11-5 and 13-3 seasons with the Chargers when he was given an awesome roster. And with that roster he had 2 good records in 6 years

Think of what those 6 years with that team could have been with a better hire than Norv. I did then and i have since.

[northerner]

Norv:

2007 AFC Championship
2008 another win over Manning back to back years in the playoffs would of hosted AFC Championship game in San Diego had we beat Pitt
2009 13-3
2010 #1 Offense #1 Defense

Much better resume than those other clowns

agree with this, and Norv came to the Chargers with a real resume - this wasn't a lucky break for him. Norv was much better than the avg joe's that followed him.

[northerner]

What you are leaving out is a couple of things.

Norv didnt build anything. He INHERITED the best Chargers team in history, and yes he won a couple of playoff games but so could alot of coaches with that roster.

Norv had a couple of winning seasons with all that talent he was given to work with ....11-5 and 13-3 but you are not mentioning he also led the best Charger team ever to mediocrity. With that roster the Chargers should have had a good long run like other AFC powers have done. In 4 of the 6 years Norv coached our most talented team ever they were 8-8, 9-7, 8-8, 7-9, ....mediocre...which is consistent with Norv's overall body of work. The best roster we have ever had lost 3 times in the divisional round and made it past that ONCE.

Why I didnt like the hiring the day it was announced... it is bizarre to fire Marty right after a franchise record 14-2 season and replace him with a career sub 500 coach who was always a better OC than HC.

Norvs career coaching record was 114-122, not even a 500 coach. Take a good look at his HC record. Other than one 10-6 season in Washington his ONLY good records were the 11-5 and 13-3 seasons with the Chargers when he was given an awesome roster. And with that roster he had 2 good records in 6 years

Think of what those 6 years with that team could have been with a better hire than Norv. I did then and i have since.

it was dumb to fire Marty, but Norv won playoff games - that is not an easy task. Debating Norv Turner is a circular debate to me, because there is tangible evidence of both success and failure. it depends which side you want to lean on. one thing i am positive of: he was better than the rest of the bums we hired after him, until Harbaugh.

[AK47]

agree with this, and Norv came to the Chargers with a real resume - this wasn't a lucky break for him. Norv was much better than the avg joe's that followed him.

Somewhere out there Norv Turner read this and nodded with approval. Then straight downed a Mike's hard lemonade.

[Boltjolt]

What you are leaving out is a couple of things.

Norv didnt build anything. He INHERITED the best Chargers team in history, and yes he won a couple of playoff games but so could alot of coaches with that roster.

Norv had a couple of winning seasons with all that talent he was given to work with ....11-5 and 13-3 but you are not mentioning he also led the best Charger team ever to mediocrity. With that roster the Chargers should have had a good long run like other AFC powers have done. In 4 of the 6 years Norv coached our most talented team ever they were 8-8, 9-7, 8-8, 7-9, ....mediocre...which is consistent with Norv's overall body of work. The best roster we have ever had lost 3 times in the divisional round and made it past that ONCE.

Why I didnt like the hiring the day it was announced... it is bizarre to fire Marty right after a franchise record 14-2 season and replace him with a career sub 500 coach who was always a better OC than HC.

Norvs career coaching record was 114-122, not even a 500 coach. Take a good look at his HC record. Other than one 10-6 season in Washington his ONLY good records were the 11-5 and 13-3 seasons with the Chargers when he was given an awesome roster. And with that roster he had 2 good records in 6 years

Think of what those 6 years with that team could have been with a better hire than Norv. I did then and i have since.

Hated it myself. The day of the announcement, I started a Fire Norv Turner thread in the old forum.

AJ caught a lot of crap from the press as well. Norv was just the HC if the Raiders and they were again a dumpster fire and AJ hired him in the off-season after he got fired.

[powderblueboy]

Really? Bounced in first playoff game that 14-2 year whereas Norv had them 13-3 on an 11 game winning streak in 2009 but more importantly in 2007 won playoff games and went into 18-0 New England with no Merriman, no Gates, no L.T., Rivers on one knee with torn ACL 7 days earlier and it was a 14-12 game in the 4th. Norv no where near as bad as McCoy or Lynn or Staley.

.....whereas nOrv had them 13-3 when they got bounced unceremoniously at home by Mr footfetish & the rook Mr. Buttfumble: not quite Belichick and Brady.

The fact is that McVisor took nOrv's team to the playoffs after nOrv declared it was years away.

nOrv or McVisor, i'd take the latter.

[ChargingBolts]

.....whereas nOrv had them 13-3 when they got bounced unceremoniously at home by Mr footfetish & the rook Mr. Buttfumble: not quite Belichick and Brady.

The fact is that McVisor took nOrv's team to the playoffs after nOrv declared it was years away.

nOrv or McVisor, i'd take the latter.

I'm saying Norv is not great not horrible.
We lost by a FG and our K missed 3, at the time the most accurate K ever, Chargers luck

[dmac_bolt]

What you are leaving out is a couple of things.

Norv didnt build anything. He INHERITED the best Chargers team in history, and yes he won a couple of playoff games but so could alot of coaches with that roster.

Norv had a couple of winning seasons with all that talent he was given to work with ....11-5 and 13-3 but you are not mentioning he also led the best Charger team ever to mediocrity. With that roster the Chargers should have had a good long run like other AFC powers have done. In 4 of the 6 years Norv coached our most talented team ever they were 8-8, 9-7, 8-8, 7-9, ....mediocre...which is consistent with Norv's overall body of work. The best roster we have ever had lost 3 times in the divisional round and made it past that ONCE.

Why I didnt like the hiring the day it was announced... it is bizarre to fire Marty right after a franchise record 14-2 season and replace him with a career sub 500 coach who was always a better OC than HC.

Norvs career coaching record was 114-122, not even a 500 coach. Take a good look at his HC record. Other than one 10-6 season in Washington his ONLY good records were the 11-5 and 13-3 seasons with the Chargers when he was given an awesome roster. And with that roster he had 2 good records in 6 years

Think of what those 6 years with that team could have been with a better hire than Norv. I did then and i have since.

Norv was a good professional coach when he was given good players. In that sense, I’d agree he was better than all of the coaches hired after him (before Jim). He was not the genius offensive mind his reputation was granted - a genius doesn’t require 4+ HOF players to be a genius. His Dallas lore had 5 or 6 HOF players on that offense, his early Chargers run had at least 3. But he was a real and qualified coach - unlike McVisor, Lynn and Staley imo.

I still think Marty was better. Much better. He was snakebit, many to most think that is proof of his ceiling, I still tend to think it was more just the worst random bad luck a guy ever had. there’s always some good fortune / luck in the guy that wins it all, he just never got it at t he right time. Andy is now deemed the greatest coach in a generation (or since BB, whatever) - he had basically the same exact run of snakebites until he finally broke thru with Kermit. Cut Andy’s career off just before that and he looks identical. Now he’s got 3. I still think Marty could have broke thru, just me.

He lifted 3 different teams up from the absolute bottom caller to the very top shelf, that says more to me than when a McCree, or a VJ, or Byner sabotaged him. Firing him after 14-2 was the craziest dumbest thing the Chargers did that decade. All jmo, think I’m forever in the minority there and thats ok.

[Riverwalk]

Hated it myself. The day of the announcement, I started a Fire Norv Turner thread in the old forum.

AJ caught a lot of crap from the press as well. Norv was just the HC if the Raiders and they were again a dumpster fire and AJ hired him in the off-season after he got fired.

You were part of the anti Norv campaign from day one. A bias that wouldn't change no matter what he did.

I get it. I didn't think Marty was a good coach when they hired him so I harbored a similar bias towards him although not as strong as the anti Norv haters.

[Boltjolt]

You were part of the anti Norv campaign from day one. A bias that wouldn't change no matter what he did.

I get it. I didn't think Marty was a good coach when they hired him so I harbored a similar bias towards him although not as strong as the anti Norv haters.

Difference is, Marty builds teams up while Norv never did that and was then handed a great team,....that Marty coached up and of course that great team did well a few years till he ran it in the ground. Their records speak for themselves in their coaching careers. Norv is a good coordinator, not a good HC.

[Velo]

Marty builds teams up while Norv never did that and was then handed a great team

Neither Marty nor Norv were the GM. AJ Smith was. Smith gave Marty a great team, not so much Norv. Smith had a huge ego and closed the door to both Marty and Norv have input on personnel decisions. His ego also contributed to the decline of the roster during Norv's tenure, such as feuding with Donnie Edwards and letting him walk and hoping Matt Whiffhelm could fill Donnie's cleats (he didn't).

[Boltjolt]

Neither Marty nor Norv were the GM. AJ Smith was. Smith gave Marty a great team, not so much Norv. Smith had a huge ego and closed the door to both Marty and Norv have input on personnel decisions. His ego also contributed to the decline of the roster during Norv's tenure, such as feuding with Donnie Edwards and letting him walk and hoping Matt Whiffhelm could fill Donnie's cleats (he didn't).

Horseshit. We have been over this time and time again. You love Norv, good for you!
But When Marty got here this team was terrible. He got players from the GM but Marty is also a good teacher as well as a HC.

Are you suggesting that Staley is as good a coach as Harbaugh and with the same guys, he would have the same results? You know that is BS.

Coaching matters and Norv isnt a good HC. 7 years in WA, went to the playoffs once. Marty even took Cleveland to the playoffs 4 of 5 seasons.