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[Bolt4Knob]

I agree we need to upgrade DuPree. With this Edge class id have liked to have Oweh back but not for what he got. And i wasnt going to pay the price for the depth types in FAcy. Dupree could very well be cut after the draft so im not worried we wont get a Edge in the draft. Im certain we will, ...maybe two.

I didnt like Ossai in his draft year and he has done nothing to change my mind.

Mafe has underachieved. He was a rotation guy on a team with Nwosu and Demarcus Lawrence who hasnt done much since 2020 and is 33. They have two good DTs in Reed and Murphy.

Mafe has 20 sacks in four years, has started 34 or 65 games he has played and was starting less games every year since his 2nd season. Started 4 last year, played in 17.
He got 20 mil APY. You just cant sign guys just to sign them to fill a hole. Ive got no problem with Hortiz not pursuing those guys with the money they got.

I get confused by your age thing too. You keep saying Mack is older, Keenan is older but then you want us to sign Cam Jordon who is older than both and will be 37 in July. Mack is still playing well, so is Keenan. So is Jordon for that matter but our own guys dont get a pass with age but others do.

The reason you get confused about the age thing is you are taking words in one context and applying them to another context

In free agency, that would be the time pre-draft, I don't think the plan should be to sign a bunch of older guys to one year deals. Now post-draft, meaning AFTER the draft when all the really good players are gone - you take what you can get.

You don't like Ossai - I get it. You really didn't like anybody or didn't want to pay them with your imaginary salary cap of valuing a player at 6m when the market is 10m. Fine, thats on you

As for Allen - I know its personal for you. You like him. You want him to be a Chargers for life. Thats fine. He's your boy and I hurt your feelings obviously as you still bring up every chance you can, years later.
That said if you can't tell the difference between a 35 year old Mack and a 33 year old Allen - thats not on me - thats just overvaluing Slayer for what he TRULY brings to the team. If Tyler Shoon is even willing to move on from Allen - and the rest of the league sure isn't knocking on his door - -you might need to let that one go.

[Boltjolt]

The reason you get confused about the age thing is you are taking words in one context and applying them to another context

In free agency, that would be the time pre-draft, I don't think the plan should be to sign a bunch of older guys to one year deals. Now post-draft, meaning AFTER the draft when all the really good players are gone - you take what you can get.

You don't like Ossai - I get it. You really didn't like anybody or didn't want to pay them with your imaginary salary cap of valuing a player at 6m when the market is 10m. Fine, thats on you

As for Allen - I know its personal for you. You like him. You want him to be a Chargers for life. Thats fine. He's your boy and I hurt your feelings obviously as you still bring up every chance you can, years later.
That said if you can't tell the difference between a 35 year old Mack and a 33 year old Allen - thats not on me - thats just overvaluing Slayer for what he TRULY brings to the team. If Tyler Shoon is even willing to move on from Allen - and the rest of the league sure isn't knocking on his door - -you might need to let that one go.

I've said many times whether Keenan is here or not this season, I'm good with it. I wasnt really expecting him last season till after MW suddenly retired. Id like to see it but I know he isn't a priority so I'm not pining for him but he can still play. NFL CBs saying that as well. Allen is really more Beach's boy but yes I like him to. I like keeping our guys around is we can and they can still play.

You never said before you would sign Ossai for 11.5 mil, and now you are saying that. Never said you would sign Mafe for 20 mil.
Yours was much lower but I really didn't want him either not because of cost but because he wasnt as good as Oweh. I wouldn't even pay him 6 mil. He has 20 career sacks. Not many career QB hits either. Frankly rather have Nwosu back over him. I'm not one who thinks spending big in FA is a great thing. Wish we would of got 1 better OG than Strange but that's MMs call. I'm expecting to draft one.

I mentioned others id rather sign like Clowney for around 8, Chubb for 12 and Wonnum who only got 3. Clowney still out there?

I'm all for getting a draft pick at Edge. Thought we'd would even if we signed one. We will somehow end up with two more unless they like Kennards progress

[sonorajim]

I've said many times whether Keenan is here or not this season, I'm good with it. I wasnt really expecting him last season till after MW suddenly retired. Id like to see it but I know he isn't a priority so I'm not pining for him but he can still play. NFL CBs saying that as well. Allen is really more Beach's boy but yes I like him to. I like keeping our guys around is we can and they can still play.

You never said before you would sign Ossai for 11.5 mil, and now you are saying that. Never said you would sign Mafe for 20 mil.
Yours was much lower but I really didn't want him either not because of cost but because he wasnt as good as Oweh. I wouldn't even pay him 6 mil. He has 20 career sacks. Not many career QB hits either. Frankly rather have Nwosu back over him. I'm not one who thinks spending big in FA is a great thing. Wish we would of got 1 better OG than Strange but that's MMs call. I'm expecting to draft one.

I mentioned others id rather sign like Clowney for around 8, Chubb for 12 and Wonnum who only got 3. Clowney still out there?

I'm all for getting a draft pick at Edge. Thought we'd would even if we signed one. We will somehow end up with two more unless they like Kennards progress

Really good depth at Edge in this draft. Very likely we take one.

[Topcat]

Raiders sign Cousins...not a bad move actually...Cousins is stopgap to ease the transition while Mendoza learns the ropes:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/raiders/2026/04/03/kirk-cousins-raiders-fernando-mendoza-quarterback/89435385007/?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

[beachcomber]

The reason you get confused about the age thing is you are taking words in one context and applying them to another context

In free agency, that would be the time pre-draft, I don't think the plan should be to sign a bunch of older guys to one year deals. Now post-draft, meaning AFTER the draft when all the really good players are gone - you take what you can get.

You don't like Ossai - I get it. You really didn't like anybody or didn't want to pay them with your imaginary salary cap of valuing a player at 6m when the market is 10m. Fine, thats on you

As for Allen - I know its personal for you. You like him. You want him to be a Chargers for life. Thats fine. He's your boy and I hurt your feelings obviously as you still bring up every chance you can, years later.
That said if you can't tell the difference between a 35 year old Mack and a 33 year old Allen - thats not on me - thats just overvaluing Slayer for what he TRULY brings to the team. If Tyler Shoon is even willing to move on from Allen - and the rest of the league sure isn't knocking on his door - -you might need to let that one go.

how many times.... you just won't let it go, and despite every season you leave him @the refuse bin he is resurrected, @least by your standards/expectations for him.

you obviously have never researched out top shelf wideouts that have yet to hit 35 years.... there are some very good years had by those guys.... Gates and Larry Fitzgerald off the top of my head.

[beachcomber]

Sure I would have . He is much better than Dupree. Dupree sucks and they gave him a million bucks for nothing
And maybe instead of Dalvin Tomlinson you bring back Hand instead.

Right now they are on track to pay Dupree 3.5m and Tomlinson, 6.8 - thats 10+

Hand was $3 and Ossai at $11m is $14 - I know what combination of players I would rather have. Dupree sucks. As for Mafe - he didn't start there but he was part of a rotation. And if you havent' looked - Mack isn't getting younger. Part of this is looking to the future and not just one year with a bunch of older players

You have a theory its not about Deans money - that is your opinion and it might have merit but you don't know.
I have a theory that is somewhat backed up my Sando's reporting. Doesn't mean its not true but if you are looking at the salary cap and are being compared to the Bengals, that is not good

hey man, the future is this year.... we are long overdue for a SB.... moving on from Mack, Allen, Perryman, Jefferson and fill in the blank is a cautionary tale.

and regardless Joe has been setting this thing up pretty good.... it's not like the boat's taking on water w/those guys.... it's not time to count on Harris/KLS quite yet, def not Colson, and def wouldn't have gone for your insistence that we sign Oweh over Khalil.... and we can still upgrade Dupree and irregardless of Tomlinson/Hand.

lots of offseason to go bro.... the focus is this season.... playoffs/SB.

[beachcomber]

And this is why I give Joe Hortz a D this off-season with $100m of cap space
He needed to do more. And yes, I get that there is still the draft and post draft free agents. But the pre-draft free agents are better and might be worth the cost.
The defense is not better at this point. I know he can draft Edge but how does bringing back guys like Perryman and Jefferson, even to a degree an older Tomlinson make the team BETTER. Treading water at best

pls show us how our D has fallen off a cliff and where Joe deserves a D ??

or is it just your wild conjecture and conviction that hasn't panned out w/some of the over the hill gang that you are keen to rid ourselves of, and year after year ??

and peoples always conveniently forget to mention that Joe had more roster spots to fill than most any other GM, hence his largesse in cap space.... he still has holes to fill, and of course which requires monies/cap space.

[beachcomber]

This should be a wake up call for all those that think Raiders aren’t an AFC threat.

FA signings:

Kirk Cousins
Tyler Linderbaum
Quay Walker
Nakobe Dean
Kwity Paye
Jalen Nailor
Segun Olubi
Connor Heyward
Dareke Young
Matt Gay

Trades

Acquired Taron Johnson
Traded Geno Smith

Draft

11 including 2 first rounders.

New HC that is a winning SB OC.

If you are making predictions about the Raiders via your rear view mirror, you could be in for a rude awakening.

RW.... know you are more than capable, and.... pls convince me that anyone outside of the bolded was a shrewd/prescient move ??

[beachcomber]

The reason you get confused about the age thing is you are taking words in one context and applying them to another context

In free agency, that would be the time pre-draft, I don't think the plan should be to sign a bunch of older guys to one year deals. Now post-draft, meaning AFTER the draft when all the really good players are gone - you take what you can get.

You don't like Ossai - I get it. You really didn't like anybody or didn't want to pay them with your imaginary salary cap of valuing a player at 6m when the market is 10m. Fine, thats on you

As for Allen - I know its personal for you. You like him. You want him to be a Chargers for life. Thats fine. He's your boy and I hurt your feelings obviously as you still bring up every chance you can, years later.
That said if you can't tell the difference between a 35 year old Mack and a 33 year old Allen - thats not on me - thats just overvaluing Slayer for what he TRULY brings to the team. If Tyler Shoon is even willing to move on from Allen - and the rest of the league sure isn't knocking on his door - -you might need to let that one go.

dude.... you and everyone else knows the only reason Keenan ain't signed yet is coz he ain't signin' w/anyone else.... he's gonna be a Charger, and.... all this conjecture 'bout how much monies Joe offered all these other receivers, and how interested McUltra is w/the first round receivers in this draft, has not one shred of first hand evidence.... the only thing we've heard live is that Joe loves Keenan and what he did for us last year, and....

of course you could be right/vindicated, and obviously.... am hoping and thinking a Keenan return is in the best interest of our SB aspirations.

[beachcomber]

I would have upgraded LB and Safety thats for damn sure. Chenal at $8m was a bargain. I mentioned Ossai, Mafe and Chaisson for Edge. OG -- Seumalo, Jenkins, Edwards

You bring up not wanting to pay certain price points for players. But the point about paying players - -the value of a player is what the market will pay. You want to win - you might have to pay a player 10m APY instead of $7.5m

I have always thought part of this was a cash flow issue and I think Mike Sando nailed it ....

could well be onto something there, and.... just can't wantonly spend in FA.... am leaning your way w/Chenal and maybe Chaisson, albeit would be very uneasy if we had signed any of the likes of Ossai, Mafe, Seumalo, Jenkins or Edwards, and.... that's not to say they're not good players, it's just the injury risk and ROI that has to be accounted for, 'specially on the heels of the Becton signing.

and you didn't/don't like our safety group ?? we've only got 5 draft picks and a decreasing salary cap.... appreciate the ambition, and.... have to be strategic.