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[blueman]

Was it any different than 2012, 2015, and 2016? He didn't trust his OL once Pouncey went down, and Okung was in and out. Plus he started pressing when they started falling behind. That's what happened most of the time. He would play hero ball. Like I said, no different than what happened in 2012, 2015, and 2016.

Again, disagree. Results are frighteningly different from those seasons, something was different. JMHO

[Critty]

Why in the world would the Packers trade Bakhtiari, an All-Pro and Pro-Bowler, for Turnstile Tevi? It would be like trading in a Maserati for a Yugo...if anything, just offer the draft pick, conditionally based on Bakhtiari agreeing with the Bolts on a multi-year deal...

The are doing the deal because Bahktiari will be a free agent after this year. And they could lose him and get nothing but a comp pick. The are getting a 2nd rd pick. Tevi is Just a throw in. If that dont want Tevi and the 2nd is enough. Ok.

[Bolt4Knob]

Again, disagree. Results are frighteningly different from those seasons, something was different. JMHO

I personally think he was mentally done with the whole move to LA; never having fan support. Never. The NFL did the Chargers wrong by scheduling of all teams, the Steelers on their showcase game of the week, Sunday Night Football. Notice they aren't doing it this year - scheduling any home games for the Chargers until they see how they are supported. . But I think Rivers was just done - he was a San Diego Charger. Derwin James never played in SD; Bosa played one year, Keenan probably likes LA better but Rivers was a San Diego Charger.

I hope Rivers does well in Indy. He has one of the best OLs in the league, good players in Mack, TY Hilton, Jack Doyle; defense should be better and probably more comfortable with Reich than Lynn. Plus, he will have a home crowd for the first time since early in the 2016 season. Those last couple games in SD don't count. I know I will be watching.

[Xenos]

Again, disagree. Results are frighteningly different from those seasons, something was different. JMHO

What results were frighteningly different? He was a turnover machine in 2012 and 2016. The record was just as bad in 2015 and 2016. He probably can't move as well in the pocket because he was older so he needs that interior protection more. But he seemed to have been doing fine until the Broncos game when Pouncey went out. He definitely looked more rattled in the Steelers game the week after.

[Xenos]

I personally think he was mentally done with the whole move to LA; never having fan support. Never. The NFL did the Chargers wrong by scheduling of all teams, the Steelers on their showcase game of the week, Sunday Night Football. Notice they aren't doing it this year - scheduling any home games for the Chargers until they see how they are supported. . But I think Rivers was just done - he was a San Diego Charger. Derwin James never played in SD; Bosa played one year, Keenan probably likes LA better but Rivers was a San Diego Charger.

I hope Rivers does well in Indy. He has one of the best OLs in the league, good players in Mack, TY Hilton, Jack Doyle; defense should be better and probably more comfortable with Reich than Lynn. Plus, he will have a home crowd for the first time since early in the 2016 season. Those last couple games in SD don't count. I know I will be watching.

If he was mentally done with LA then why did he go through the trouble of creating his own mobile film room? Why did he have two of his best seasons in LA then? Was he tired of SD when we had those losing seasons in 2012, 2015, and 2016?

Maybe the easiest answer was that Rivers was just as focused but the talent, especially at IOL, was no longer up to snuff anymore. It's the difference between the Saints and us really.

[gzubeck]

If he was mentally done with LA then why did he go through the trouble of creating his own mobile film room? Why did he have two of his best seasons in LA then? Was he tired of SD when we had those losing seasons in 2012, 2015, and 2016?

Maybe the easiest answer was that Rivers was just as focused but the talent, especially at IOL, was no longer up to snuff anymore. It's the difference between the Saints and us really.

I think he knew he wouldn't be getting the kind of contract going forward for the remaining part of his career. I also see a little self serving stubbornness that a long term Qb has when thinking this is his team, but when you go 5-11 and are desperate for a better contract renewal, he became free and easy with the ball.

[Formula 21]

I think we all knew Rivers was going to be a HC of his sons high school football team. But yes, this was an odd announcement. But granted, if somebody was going to pay you $25m - wouldn't you take it.

I think Rivers will have a good season in Indy. They have a good OL, improved defense, he won't have to do as much and he might listen to Reich more than Lynn - meaning don't audible out of runs, don't play hero ball.

I will never speak bad of Rivers - I will be watching the Colts. That said, I know it was time to change the QB moving forward and I hope Tyrod Taylor is what Lynn envisions him to be. No excuses.

Whats wrong with audibling of runs? If you go to the line and the D knows what you’re running and move an extra defender in to stop the play, its smart to run something else.

[Formula 21]

I think he knew he wouldn't be getting the kind of contract going forward for the remaining part of his career. I also see a little self serving stubbornness that a long term Qb has when thinking this is his team, but when you go 5-11 and are desperate for a better contract renewal, he became free and easy with the ball.

I disagree with this too. When you’re behind and are going to lose the game unless you go with higher risk plays, Rivers had the balls to go with the higher risk plays. Fuck stats, he's going for the win.

Tyrod wont do that, he’ll overthrow the ball so nobody can get to it. That’s his history. Fuck the win, protect those stats.

[Xenos]

I think he knew he wouldn't be getting the kind of contract going forward for the remaining part of his career. I also see a little self serving stubbornness that a long term Qb has when thinking this is his team, but when you go 5-11 and are desperate for a better contract renewal, he became free and easy with the ball.

Maybe it's a memory thing but he started doing that around midway 2011 around the time when Dielman and McNeill both got injured. It's one of the reasons Lynn was brought in, to help him curve his turnover issues. And it worked for the first two years.

Note: I forgot how bad his turnovers were in 2011 as well.

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[Xenos]

Article from 2018 about Rivers' gunslinger tendencies and how it had improved under Lynn. The good old days of 2018.

https://theathletic.com/682328/2018/11/28/philip-rivers-nfl-career-chargers-restraint/

“When the team was behind or struggling, he always wanted to do too much,” Hardwick said of his teammate from 2004 to 2014. “He always wanted to bring the team back. Now, he understands he has to sit in the chariot and steer the horses around rather than trying to be the chariot and the horses himself.”

Restraint has rejuvenated Rivers’ career. In 2016, he hurled his way to a league-high 21 interceptions as the Chargers skidded through one of the worst two-year stretches in franchise history (9-23). Now settled into Lynn’s system, Rivers is playing his best football at 36 years old. His 26 touchdowns are tied for fourth in the league, and he has matched career bests in completion percentage (69.5) and interception rate (1.7). Last Sunday, he set the NFL single-game record for consecutive completions with 25.

[sonorajim]

I disagree with this too. When you’re behind and are going to lose the game unless you go with higher risk plays, Rivers had the balls to go with the higher risk plays. Fuck stats, he's going for the win.

Tyrod wont do that, he’ll overthrow the ball so nobody can get to it. That’s his history. Fuck the win, protect those stats.

I don't see it like that. Protect the ball. Give the rest of the team & coaches a chance. Ints are a turd in the punchbowl.

[Formula 21]

I don't see it like that. Protect the ball. Give the rest of the team & coaches a chance. Ints are a turd in the punchbowl.

When you're down by two scores with 10 minutes to play, throwing the ball away, not risking a pass to get a first down, thats just giving up.