Joe Reed WR, Virginia - Discussion

[dmac_bolt]

The KR / PR thing is not necessarily a philosophy thing as it is that not many people have the skill set to be good at both in the NFL. KR tend to be more fast than quick, while PR guys tend to be more quick than fast, but it is really a mix of both, plus the vision/feel thing. A lot of guys manage both in college, but can't hack one or the other (or both) in the NFL. That being said, Hill has experience at PR, so they may try and work both rookies in on ST, since that would make them active on Sunday's, it would give them chances to get on the field as offensive players too. But both have to show something as kick/punt coverage players as well.

Agree its not a league rule. But it is the common vs the unusual that most teams utilize a different guy on punts and KOs. Or thats my impression, maybe I’m wrong. It has definitely been AL’s “rule” but its fair to note he hasn’t had a pro bowl returner at either spot yet. At least he doesn’t have the guy who had an urge to run backwards into the end zone anymore, so ... things are looking up already.

[Steve]

I would think, if they can, they would probably like for KJ Hill to be the punt returner and Reed to be the KO guy. Then they have an excuse to activate both on Sunday, provided they can play on coverage teams as well.

A guy like Reed who is such a good athlete, if he can handle the return duties, is so tempting to use in both, because then he can get the touches to have an impact, and despite his lack of NFL caliber route running.

Hill is much further along in his development as a WR, he dropped in the draft because he lacks WR speed in a deep WR draft. I think we can use him as the 3rd WR if we need to use Ekeler at RB much. Otherwise, we already have the 3rd WR in Ekeler, at least as a part time WR.

[like54ninjas]

I would think, if they can, they would probably like for KJ Hill to be the punt returner and Reed to be the KO guy. Then they have an excuse to activate both on Sunday, provided they can play on coverage teams as well.

A guy like Reed who is such a good athlete, if he can handle the return duties, is so tempting to use in both, because then he can get the touches to have an impact, and despite his lack of NFL caliber route running.

Hill is much further along in his development as a WR, he dropped in the draft because he lacks WR speed in a deep WR draft. I think we can use him as the 3rd WR if we need to use Ekeler at RB much. Otherwise, we already have the 3rd WR in Ekeler, at least as a part time WR.

Joe is the clear option as WR3 even given his current route tree deficiency.
His speed, strength, vision, catch point concentration, ability to block/run jet sweeps/reverses/WR screens, take it 60, and a skillset to play outside WR as well.

Joe gives more diversity to our big 2 WRs and our offense. IMV.

[21&500]

I see Reed getting more touches than Hill based on the type of offense I expect, Hill looks like a future starting slot in a more traditional offense.
Early on, I expect a run heavy offense with plays designed to put Reed in space.

[Steve]

Joe is the clear option as WR3 even given his current route tree deficiency.
His speed, strength, vision, catch point concentration, ability to block/run jet sweeps/reverses/WR screens, take it 60, and a skillset to play outside WR as well.

Joe gives more diversity to our big 2 WRs and our offense. IMV.

I'm not sure I see that. Hill was not drafted to sit on the bench and not play, and is the better route runner. If I had to guess, then I would say Hill has the inside track as the 3rd WR. If they want a guy to line up and potentially make plays, it is Hill, and not Reed who has more of a chance to do that.

Reed is more likely to be a RS who gets misc snaps as a 3rd. He might be more enhanced as a far as game planning goes, but I doubt he gets as many snaps. He is a more explosive athlete, but if he lacks the basic skills of the trade (route running), they will have to game plan just about every offensive touch, similar to guys like Cordello Patterson. His bigger role will likely be as a return specialist, at least until his skills can catch up. That is going to be tough, given the lack of skill development time that NFL teams have this year.

In any case, Ekeler's enhanced production last year in the 3rd WR role suggests he is the best option, but that will depend on how the RB situation works out. A good deal of his overall production last year and a lot of his most explosive plays were as our slot player last season. But

There is also the TE situation and FB, since we finally have some more interesting options at FB than we have had in the recent past. The rookie FA Nabers (FSU) is a pretty fluid athlete and much more athletic than Watt was, although he is not as good at getting good fits in the run game, and has a chance to get some playing time at TE/Hback/FB type of role. Bobby Holly is a better blocker, and more of a true FB, although he lined up most as a tight wingback in college. He has good footwork in his blocking and can hit targets on the move when pulling and leading, which always gives a lead blocker a chance. Donald Pardam is an interesting possibility at TE, so the TE/FB/Hback role has more interesting choices than in a long time.

With Patton failing so badly last year, he needs to step things up or is gone. Kevin Moore showed some flashes but seems unlikely given the lack of work.

[like54ninjas]

I'm not sure I see that. Hill was not drafted to sit on the bench and not play, and is the better route runner. If I had to guess, then I would say Hill has the inside track as the 3rd WR. If they want a guy to line up and potentially make plays, it is Hill, and not Reed who has more of a chance to do that.

Reed is more likely to be a RS who gets misc snaps as a 3rd. He might be more enhanced as a far as game planning goes, but I doubt he gets as many snaps. He is a more explosive athlete, but if he lacks the basic skills of the trade (route running), they will have to game plan just about every offensive touch, similar to guys like Cordello Patterson. His bigger role will likely be as a return specialist, at least until his skills can catch up. That is going to be tough, given the lack of skill development time that NFL teams have this year.

In any case, Ekeler's enhanced production last year in the 3rd WR role suggests he is the best option, but that will depend on how the RB situation works out. A good deal of his overall production last year and a lot of his most explosive plays were as our slot player last season. But

There is also the TE situation and FB, since we finally have some more interesting options at FB than we have had in the recent past. The rookie FA Nabers (FSU) is a pretty fluid athlete and much more athletic than Watt was, although he is not as good at getting good fits in the run game, and has a chance to get some playing time at TE/Hback/FB type of role. Bobby Holly is a better blocker, and more of a true FB, although he lined up most as a tight wingback in college. He has good footwork in his blocking and can hit targets on the move when pulling and leading, which always gives a lead blocker a chance. Donald Pardam is an interesting possibility at TE, so the TE/FB/Hback role has more interesting choices than in a long time.

With Patton failing so badly last year, he needs to step things up or is gone. Kevin Moore showed some flashes but seems unlikely given the lack of work.

I love KJ HILL but Reed does have the ideal skillset to be on the field more. More flexibility of alignments with Keenan being able to play in the slot some, Joe’s speed allows him to run crossers, verticals, and speed outs, enhance run game options, has size for blocking, and his superior RAC. Hill and Reed both have outstanding hands so their is no advantage to either on that front.

I like Parham as a possible receiving threat as well as Jason Moore and Guyton as WR #5/6 candidates.

Im not sure where you’re getting AE’s number of snaps in the slot. His production came out the backfield in the passing game as it will this season. 81% of his snaps were from the RB position.

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[like54ninjas]

Great insights into what made the man Joe Reed.

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The analysis and stats that ProFootballFocus.com provided on Joe Reed prior to the draft.

[like54ninjas]

I’m blind and can’t read any of the above.

[Formula 21]

Great insights into the what made the man Joe Reed.

What a great young man. Like all the players TT brought in. I’m very proud of the guys we have to root for.

[Fleet]

I’m blind and can’t read any of the above.

Cant you click on the images? I can.

[Velo]

What a great young man. Like all the players TT brought in. I’m very proud of the guys we have to root for.

I feel the same way. All of these guys are people you are proud to root for, as a fan of the team and for their personal success.