When Does Herbert Sit? - Justin Herbert Discussion

[Bolt-O]

Schefter saying that Taylor broke 2 ribs against the Bengals which is why he needed the painkiller. Chargers playing games with the injury report with Taylor not showing up until Friday on it.

Thinking about that, it would have made the line at least +12 for the Chargers. Gamblers would have still lost big on this game, most were going with the Chiefs.

[Guest]

Medical malpractice suit coming up, but good for Herbert's chances of starting.

I am not here to say whether or not there was medical negligence in this case, but I can say that a bad result from a medical procedure does not necessarily prove medical negligence. Many medical procedures carry risks of a bad outcome with them, so the occurrence of the bad outcome does not, by itself, establish that there was negligence.

[DontEverGiveUp]

Schefter saying that Taylor broke 2 ribs against the Bengals which is why he needed the painkiller. Chargers playing games with the injury report with Taylor not showing up until Friday on it.

So, one game into the post-Rivers era, and the QB has broken ribs. Two games in, and there's a QB controversy.

At least with Tyrod sidelined, Lynn now has a scapegoat if/when the team starts losing.

[21&500]

I know people didn’t want Tyrod starting but I can’t help but feel bad for the guy. He was a Charger before he became a Charger with his bad luck.

ya i feel really bad for him (relatively speaking for a pro athlete before someone jumps in with "I wish i can get stabbed with a shot and get millions of dollars")
dude worked hard for his chance, and i can live with losing his chance to injury, getting beat out by Herbert, but a fucking medical accident?
COME ON MAN!

[21&500]

dude was going to play with 2 broken ribs....

i read "two broken ribs" and almost called out of work.

[Guest]

An interception at the opponents 5 isnt bad in itself
but it's really bad when you consider the context
Time in the 4th quarter
being in fg range
The first down could have shaved several more minutes down and with a fg would have put us up by 2 scores
assuming we don't score a td
So as much as I love JH, that int was costly
Maybe a math genius here can do the win percentage thing they do in poker, but my guess is that Lynn is right to emphasize turnover differential as much as he does.
I think where many here are far apart is in how much Lynn emphasizes it.
Moving on from Rivers has left a sour taste for many and is leading to one dimensional narratives about Lynn as a coach.

The INT is a bad outcome if you assume that we already have the ball in FG range, having driven there from our own 16 yard line.

What my posts have shown pretty clearly is that Taylor likely never would have had us in FG range in the first place. In other words, the assumption being made is unwarranted.

I showed that in week 1, Taylor started with the ball at our own 25 or further back nine times and produced all of one FG in all of those series combined--against the lesser Bengals.

To me, it is not too difficult to estimate what Taylor likely would have done on the Herbert INT drive. He very likely would have produced 0-2 first downs and we would have punted with less time coming off of the clock that what actually happened and with the Chiefs in even better field position to score.

So even the INT series was an improvement from what Tyrod did on series after series in week 1.

Meanwhile, while Taylor produced 3 points on 9 such drives, Herbert produced 13 points on 7 such drives against a better team.

This isn't rocket science. If this were at all a close call, then I would have no issue with Lynn's approach. The problem is that the play of the two QBs was not close at all and Lynn seems like he is grasping at straws with weak arguments to try to justify the result he wants when the result really has no legitimate justification. In my view, that is a major problem when the HC does that.

Since Herbert is already better than Taylor and more experience for Herbert only stands to widen that gap, Herbert should be starting now regardless of Taylor's health.

I do not see Rivers as being relevant to this discussion.

[21&500]

So, one game into the post-Rivers era, and the QB has broken ribs. Two games in, and there's a QB controversy.

At least with Tyrod sidelined, Lynn now has a scapegoat if/when the team starts losing.

5 points for making this a Rivers issue.
at least you're living up to your name.

[21&500]

The INT is a bad outcome if you assume that we already have the ball in FG range, having driven there from our own 16 yard line.

What my posts have shown pretty clearly is that Taylor likely never would have had us in FG range in the first place. In other words, the assumption being made is unwarranted.

I showed that in week 1, Taylor started with the ball at our own 25 or further back nine times and produced all of one FG in all of those series combined--against the lesser Bengals.

To me, it is not too difficult to estimate what Taylor likely would have done on the Herbert INT drive. He very likely would have produced 0-2 first downs and we would have punted with less time coming off of the clock that what actually happened and with the Chiefs in even better field position to score.

So even the INT series was an improvement from what Tyrod did on series after series in week 1.

Meanwhile, while Taylor produced 3 points on 9 such drives, Herbert produced 13 points on 7 such drives against a better team.

This isn't rocket science. If this were at all a close call, then I would have no issue with Lynn's approach. The problem is that the play of the two QBs was not close at all and Lynn seems like he is grasping at straws with weak arguments to try to justify the result he wants when the result really has no legitimate justification. In my view, that is a major problem when the HC does that.

Since Herbert is already better than Taylor and more experience for Herbert only stands to widen that gap, Herbert should be starting now regardless of Taylor's health.

I do not see Rivers as being relevant to this discussion.

I don't think we're disagreeing on anything here.
not talking about Tyrod or Rivers here.

[Formula 21]

We're all excited to see Herbert get his next start.

[MasterOfPuppets]

The int was a dumb decision, BUT if Herbert throws it 2 yards farther then it's an incredible TD, Allen was a yard ahead of both KC defender (yeah, maybe the safety takes a deeper angle, but still, it could have been)

[21&500]

The int was a dumb decision, BUT if Herbert throws it 2 yards farther then it's an incredible TD, Allen was a yard ahead of both KC defender (yeah, maybe the safety takes a deeper angle, but still, it could have been)

good point.
bad decision but almost the throw of the year.

looks like he was over compensating from a few over-throws earlier in the game.
not too shabby for no reps.

[chargeroo]

Since Herbert is already better than Taylor and more experience for Herbert only stands to widen that gap, Herbert should be starting now regardless of Taylor's health.
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I thought Herbert played well under the circumstance but I wouldn't go far as to say he's better. Comparing after just one game is kind of stepping out on a limb. Let's see what the next act brings.