When Does Herbert Sit? - Justin Herbert Discussion

[Silversurfer]

Herbert and Rivers have about the same college stats. 95tds and 23 Int for Herbert.
95tds and 34 Int for Rivers.
pretty close.

[jamrock]

Herbert and Rivers have about the same college stats. 95tds and 23 Int for Herbert.
95tds and 34 Int for Rivers.
pretty close.

And Rivers had Norm Chow.

herbert has dog chow

[Steve]

We'll see what happens. If what I'm reading is correct it looks like Herbert will also be working with Rip Scherer who moved from tight end coach to "offensive assistant", whatever the heck that means. As blueman mentioned, maybe he'll just work with John Beck at 3DQ for the rest of the offseason and that will be his unofficial QB coach.

https://www.chargers.com/news/24-hours-with-te-coach-rip-scherer-at-the-combine

Scherer has coached a lot of college and pro QB. Not necessarily the best guys, but a lot of guys who have overperformed. He's coached with a lot of great coaches over the years and had some success himself.

[Steve]

“Justin Herbert is not it. That is not solving your problems… I can’t get on board with this draft strategy whatsoever.” — PFF’s Mike Renner


https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-grades-for-all-32-teams

It's going to take 3 1/2 years to figure out what kind of QB this kid is.

I don't know.

PFF is about analytics. Analytics is about describing and classifying a player based on what he has done. That it is hidden in their stats.

What Herbert's stats tell you is the same thing his film does. he is wildly inconsistent and he is lacking the confidence to just turn it lose. What the analytics thing can't tell you is what he might become. Fix his mechanics, and I think there is a good chance he turns into much more than he was as a college player.

Football isn't like baseball. Baseball, everyone has worked on fundamentals every day in practice since they started to walk. By the time they are in college or minor league ball they have 10's of thousands of reps in every type of play and skill you can imagine a player doing. They AREN'T going to change much having worked on it that much.

Football players often don't start playing till they are in HS, and sometimes not even until part way through. A lot of NFL rookies, at every position are still learning their positions, learning the skills they need after they get drafted.

So baseball players are what they are by the time they are 21 or 22. NFL players, some of who are on the younger side of 21 if they are juniors coming out early, and maybe started late much more a work in progress, so the stats don't tell you who they are going to be. That part is going to be up to Hebert.

[Scoregon]

A poster in another thread alluded to Herbert's 4.0GPA in science and that it says something about his work ethic and commitment. I thought this was an important point and wanted to expand on it, but decided to post it here on the Herbert thread, rather than on the Hill thread (I believe) where I saw it.

I completely agree that with that idea, but I wanted to add that it is yet another indicator that he isn't tapped out and might, in fact, have only have scratched the surface of what he can become now that being a quarterback is becoming his sole focus. This is not a guy who spent four years "majoring in football," putting all his time and energy toward quarterbacking. That's not to say he didn't put in time watching film, in the weight room, and working with teammates; but he did all that and put in the hours of class time, labs, and intense studying that a 4.0 in biology requires. So you combine the outstanding work ethic with the extra 25+ hours a week he now has and you've got some room to really ramp up his growth, on both the mental side and the physical (mechanics) side. My understanding is this has already been happening through the predraft process and improvements on footwork and mechanics have been significant and rapid.

If you combine the work ethic, the massive physical ceiling, and the extra time with the fact that he never had extra qb coaching before the predraft process, there is reason to believe he has significantly above average growth potential for an incoming NFL quarterback.

[Caslon]

Left side of the O-line collapses, Taylor gets injured.

[Panamamike]

I don't know.

PFF is about analytics. Analytics is about describing and classifying a player based on what he has done. That it is hidden in their stats.

What Herbert's stats tell you is the same thing his film does. he is wildly inconsistent and he is lacking the confidence to just turn it lose. What the analytics thing can't tell you is what he might become. Fix his mechanics, and I think there is a good chance he turns into much more than he was as a college player.

Football isn't like baseball. Baseball, everyone has worked on fundamentals every day in practice since they started to walk. By the time they are in college or minor league ball they have 10's of thousands of reps in every type of play and skill you can imagine a player doing. They AREN'T going to change much having worked on it that much.

Football players often don't start playing till they are in HS, and sometimes not even until part way through. A lot of NFL rookies, at every position are still learning their positions, learning the skills they need after they get drafted.

So baseball players are what they are by the time they are 21 or 22. NFL players, some of who are on the younger side of 21 if they are juniors coming out early, and maybe started late much more a work in progress, so the stats don't tell you who they are going to be. That part is going to be up to Hebert.

The stats also do not encompass 3 HCs, 3 OC, and a putrid set of skill position players to play with. Stats without context are useless. I can lie like a rug and paint you and picture you want with a given data set. There is no doubt there are some mechanical things to work on. I also have no doubt he will work his ass off to correct these things and that having a consistemt message will aid this greatly.

[blueman]

The stats also do not encompass 3 HCs, 3 OC, and a putrid set of skill position players to play with. Stats without context are useless. I can lie like a rug and paint you and picture you want with a given data set. There is no doubt there are some mechanical things to work on. I also have no doubt he will work his ass off to correct these things and that having a consistemt message will aid this greatly.

This. All day.

[Caslon]

Pipkins is not as bad as we thought? Hiring an old FA guy to mentor him? I've never been a fan of one year signing of a vet for mentor sakes. Never seen that pan out.

[21&500]

https://www.chargers.com/news/young-justin-herbert-had-it-all-planned-out

cute.
but I suspect there are 32 similar "time-capsule documents" with different teams on each.
JHs mom made him write them out.
jk

[Topcat]

In case link doesn't work for some of you, here it is--Herbert predicted his future at nine years old, and got just about everything correct:

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https://twitter.com/Chargers/status/...024834/photo/1

[Kingcrimson]

I’m starting to really warm up on this Herbert pick. Whether it’s because he likes the Chargers as a youngin and now plays for them or maybe just cuz I have no choice but to root for him anyways LOL.

Good thing about this is he’s walking into a perfect situation. We just parted ways with PhillyRiv [ ((( ] and we are changing the offense to help the next future QB succeed.

He’s no Patrick Mahomes at throwing and he’s no Lamar Jackson at running, but we can spend the next year trying to mold Herbert into the perfect quarterback. Just absorb the playbook and build a rapport with the receivers.