2021 Draft Discussion - Bolts Pick 13th

[wu-dai clan]

Please child.
Don't make me stop the car.

[Bolt Dude]

Hey all - just joined the board. Long time fan here. Excited for the draft. For my own peace of mind - I was trying to project a worst-case scenario in which the key players at position of need we all assume are atop Telesco's board are gone by #13 (Sewell, Slater, Surtain, Horn, AVT, Darrisaw). In this scenario, the Vikings jump us to snag Darrisaw and AVT is already off the board leaving us to choose between Devonta Smith, Micah Parsons or reach a bit for Teven Jenkins...I personally like all 3 players. The value is there with Smith and Parsons. Jenkins would be considered a reach but if he ultimately ends up as a solid starter at either RT and LT nobody will care. Anyhow, imagine we are on the clock under this scenario and the Patriots call offering to swap spots and we pick up a 4th rounder in the deal. We are still guaranteed to land Devonta Smith, Micah Parsons or Tevin Jenkins.

1- JAX: Lawrence
2-NYJ: Wilson
3-SF: Lance
4-ATL: Pitts
5-CIN: Sewell
6- MIA: Chase
7-DET: Slater
8- CAR: AVT
9- DEN: Surtain
10-DAL: Horn
11-NYG: Waddle
12. MIN via PHI: Darrisaw
13: NE via LAC: Mac Jones
14. PHI: Devona Smith
15. LAC via NE: ?

With Smith gone, it's most likely between Parsons or Tevin Jenkins. Best player available or BPA at a position of need. Dark horse candidates would be: Caleb Farley (assuming medical is clear) and JOK (he is a golden domer so you know Telesco has him on the board). Maybe Moehrig (safety is a much bigger need than what we are seeing in the media and he is the consensus best one in the draft).

While it would be a bummer to not fill that LT spot with the #13 pick - there could be options in Round 2 (plus Eric Fisher is still out there). Landing Parsons at pick 15 and picking up another 4 seems like a steal, especially considering his pass rush chops: rotate him with Nwosu at OLBs (Staley's history indicates he would get the most out of him at that position). Not too concerned about the maturity issues based on what I read (especially at pick 15).


Curious to get some thoughts on what people on the board would do:

Parsons?
Jenkins?
Farley? (the medical concerns me, especially with our injury history)
JOK? Where does he play? Insurance for Derwin? Can he hold up at ILB in Staley's defense?
Moehrig?
Devonta Smith at 13? Awesome player, but a luxury pick with glaring needs at OT and CB.

Thanks for reading.

-Boltensen

Hey welcome.

Trading back is the best solution to a nightmare 1-12 scenario.

Lately I’ve been thinking about the Ravens and their #27 and #31. The draft value of those 2 picks is 1260. The value of #13 is 1150. Pretty close (might have to throw in #97) and the Ravens might pull the trigger if they covet Devonta, etc. It would be a good spot for us, too.

The player pool between 27-31 might include: Radunz, Little, Stokes, Grant, Samuel, and Moehrig. I’d love to get 2 of them vs 1 guy at 13.

[electricgold]

What if the Chargers drafted Kwity Paye with the 13th pick. He seems like exactly what our HC wants on our EDGE???

[equivocation]

The dreary, repetitious drivel about Darrisaw at #13 has been allowed to stand unchallenged--up until now.

We draft in a few days, so it is time for a fight.

Christian does not look for work at the second level,
because he does not have enough football instincts, and simply cannot see who needs to be blocked.

He has that smirk on his face,
the smirk of the attention whore,
who knows in their heart that the really aren't worth all the fuss.

Where's the grit ?
It's certainly not in Blacksburg VA.

I am willing to bribe teams ahead of us with extra picks,
so that they take this future NFL bust before we have a chance to.

TT don't do it.

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

I hear he was on the grassy knoll while kicking a puppy AND SMILING ABOUT IT.

I also hear he's the real killer of Nicole Brown Simpson.

...

I dont think any of us are qualified to do psych evals of people we've never met. Maybe he's a stealth narcissist. Maybe he's a serial killer. Could say that about any prospect.

Darrisaw's biggest issue by far is his use of and mentality regarding his hands. He won't be able to get by with size and athleticism at the next level. Slater has the same issue IMO, passive hands on the corner. Not a great OT class outside Sewell and maybe Jenkins.

I'm big on Little, but criticizing Darrisaw's run blocking while giving Little a pass is a head scratcher.

[like54ninjas]

Hey all - just joined the board. Long time fan here. Excited for the draft. For my own peace of mind - I was trying to project a worst-case scenario in which the key players at position of need we all assume are atop Telesco's board are gone by #13 (Sewell, Slater, Surtain, Horn, AVT, Darrisaw). In this scenario, the Vikings jump us to snag Darrisaw and AVT is already off the board leaving us to choose between Devonta Smith, Micah Parsons or reach a bit for Teven Jenkins...I personally like all 3 players. The value is there with Smith and Parsons. Jenkins would be considered a reach but if he ultimately ends up as a solid starter at either RT and LT nobody will care. Anyhow, imagine we are on the clock under this scenario and the Patriots call offering to swap spots and we pick up a 4th rounder in the deal. We are still guaranteed to land Devonta Smith, Micah Parsons or Tevin Jenkins.

1- JAX: Lawrence
2-NYJ: Wilson
3-SF: Lance
4-ATL: Pitts
5-CIN: Sewell
6- MIA: Chase
7-DET: Slater
8- CAR: AVT
9- DEN: Surtain
10-DAL: Horn
11-NYG: Waddle
12. MIN via PHI: Darrisaw
13: NE via LAC: Mac Jones
14. PHI: Devona Smith
15. LAC via NE: ?

With Smith gone, it's most likely between Parsons or Tevin Jenkins. Best player available or BPA at a position of need. Dark horse candidates would be: Caleb Farley (assuming medical is clear) and JOK (he is a golden domer so you know Telesco has him on the board). Maybe Moehrig (safety is a much bigger need than what we are seeing in the media and he is the consensus best one in the draft).

While it would be a bummer to not fill that LT spot with the #13 pick - there could be options in Round 2 (plus Eric Fisher is still out there). Landing Parsons at pick 15 and picking up another 4 seems like a steal, especially considering his pass rush chops: rotate him with Nwosu at OLBs (Staley's history indicates he would get the most out of him at that position). Not too concerned about the maturity issues based on what I read (especially at pick 15).


Curious to get some thoughts on what people on the board would do:

Parsons?
Jenkins?
Farley? (the medical concerns me, especially with our injury history)
JOK? Where does he play? Insurance for Derwin? Can he hold up at ILB in Staley's defense?
Moehrig?
Devonta Smith at 13? Awesome player, but a luxury pick with glaring needs at OT and CB.

Thanks for reading.

-Boltensen

Good to have you here @TPB. Quality first post.
My cluster in that scenario Farley, Phillips, Little, Collins, Jenkins, Parson, Tryon, Moehrig.
Not knowing the medicals makes a decision difficult but if all things equal that is the order I take them.

[Lone Bolt]

What if the Chargers drafted Kwity Paye with the 13th pick. He seems like exactly what our HC wants on our EDGE???

Telesco says we draft players, not positions...that being said, we have Nwosu, who they supposedly still like, and that one guy we picked up, Fackrel? Seems like there are bodies there, and the Chargers board is likely to have a better player than Paye at 13.

But to your question, IF they did? I would say they love the guy, and I'm cool with it.

[like54ninjas]

What if the Chargers drafted Kwity Paye with the 13th pick. He seems like exactly what our HC wants on our EDGE???

Raw with little production. Wasn’t used well but should have been more productive with his athleticism and motor.
If Jaelan Phillips is medically cleared, he’s a much better prospect.

[Lone Bolt]

Hey all - just joined the board. Long time fan here. Excited for the draft. For my own peace of mind - I was trying to project a worst-case scenario in which the key players at position of need we all assume are atop Telesco's board are gone by #13 (Sewell, Slater, Surtain, Horn, AVT, Darrisaw). In this scenario, the Vikings jump us to snag Darrisaw and AVT is already off the board leaving us to choose between Devonta Smith, Micah Parsons or reach a bit for Teven Jenkins...I personally like all 3 players. The value is there with Smith and Parsons. Jenkins would be considered a reach but if he ultimately ends up as a solid starter at either RT and LT nobody will care. Anyhow, imagine we are on the clock under this scenario and the Patriots call offering to swap spots and we pick up a 4th rounder in the deal. We are still guaranteed to land Devonta Smith, Micah Parsons or Tevin Jenkins.

1- JAX: Lawrence
2-NYJ: Wilson
3-SF: Lance
4-ATL: Pitts
5-CIN: Sewell
6- MIA: Chase
7-DET: Slater
8- CAR: AVT
9- DEN: Surtain
10-DAL: Horn
11-NYG: Waddle
12. MIN via PHI: Darrisaw
13: NE via LAC: Mac Jones
14. PHI: Devona Smith
15. LAC via NE: ?

With Smith gone, it's most likely between Parsons or Tevin Jenkins. Best player available or BPA at a position of need. Dark horse candidates would be: Caleb Farley (assuming medical is clear) and JOK (he is a golden domer so you know Telesco has him on the board). Maybe Moehrig (safety is a much bigger need than what we are seeing in the media and he is the consensus best one in the draft).

While it would be a bummer to not fill that LT spot with the #13 pick - there could be options in Round 2 (plus Eric Fisher is still out there). Landing Parsons at pick 15 and picking up another 4 seems like a steal, especially considering his pass rush chops: rotate him with Nwosu at OLBs (Staley's history indicates he would get the most out of him at that position). Not too concerned about the maturity issues based on what I read (especially at pick 15).


Curious to get some thoughts on what people on the board would do:

Parsons?
Jenkins?
Farley? (the medical concerns me, especially with our injury history)
JOK? Where does he play? Insurance for Derwin? Can he hold up at ILB in Staley's defense?
Moehrig?
Devonta Smith at 13? Awesome player, but a luxury pick with glaring needs at OT and CB.

Thanks for reading.

-Boltensen

Welcome.

My two cents? Still think TT and Staley are loving what JOK can do...but I would say Parsons, Farley....or Farley, Parsons...or JOK.

As to the bolded question....JOK can be insurance for James or Tranquil...true hybrid...but in a perfect world, he can be LB in base, and become the 5th DB in sub, which we run most of the time, right?

Staley likes to bring 4. Bosa, Joseph, Tillery, Nwosu are coming...you got Murray in the middle, and Tranquil and JOK(LBs who can run and cover) as backers, plus your 4 DBs....the base looks close to the sub package. (In base I have Joseph and Jones inside, Tillery at DE)

For Staley it's about football playing Jesses...and JOK, Parsons, and Farley are all that. He'll form the defense around the personnel we end up with, if he is as good as his word.

[Fleet]

Popper’s 4.0 mock:
https://www.thepowderblues.com/forum...08#post1204908

You made me think he was posting here at the Blues. lol

[Bearded14YourPleasure]

Thibodeaux is in my early 2022 top 5. Burst, bend, length, powerful hands, and exceptional spin counter. Raw and needs developing but young and exactly the type of modern hybrid EDGE defender with speed, length, size, burst to play in any scheme and space.

Oregon is switching defenses this year and KT is reportedly gonna be playing more of an OLB role off the line of scrimmage with some dropping into coverage and such. Will be very interested to see how/if that effects his draft stock.

Always appreciate your takes ninja.

[Formula 21]

Hey all - just joined the board. Long time fan here. Excited for the draft. For my own peace of mind - I was trying to project a worst-case scenario in which the key players at position of need we all assume are atop Telesco's board are gone by #13 (Sewell, Slater, Surtain, Horn, AVT, Darrisaw). In this scenario, the Vikings jump us to snag Darrisaw and AVT is already off the board leaving us to choose between Devonta Smith, Micah Parsons or reach a bit for Teven Jenkins...I personally like all 3 players. The value is there with Smith and Parsons. Jenkins would be considered a reach but if he ultimately ends up as a solid starter at either RT and LT nobody will care. Anyhow, imagine we are on the clock under this scenario and the Patriots call offering to swap spots and we pick up a 4th rounder in the deal. We are still guaranteed to land Devonta Smith, Micah Parsons or Tevin Jenkins.

1- JAX: Lawrence
2-NYJ: Wilson
3-SF: Lance
4-ATL: Pitts
5-CIN: Sewell
6- MIA: Chase
7-DET: Slater
8- CAR: AVT
9- DEN: Surtain
10-DAL: Horn
11-NYG: Waddle
12. MIN via PHI: Darrisaw
13: NE via LAC: Mac Jones
14. PHI: Devona Smith
15. LAC via NE: ?

With Smith gone, it's most likely between Parsons or Tevin Jenkins. Best player available or BPA at a position of need. Dark horse candidates would be: Caleb Farley (assuming medical is clear) and JOK (he is a golden domer so you know Telesco has him on the board). Maybe Moehrig (safety is a much bigger need than what we are seeing in the media and he is the consensus best one in the draft).

While it would be a bummer to not fill that LT spot with the #13 pick - there could be options in Round 2 (plus Eric Fisher is still out there). Landing Parsons at pick 15 and picking up another 4 seems like a steal, especially considering his pass rush chops: rotate him with Nwosu at OLBs (Staley's history indicates he would get the most out of him at that position). Not too concerned about the maturity issues based on what I read (especially at pick 15).


Curious to get some thoughts on what people on the board would do:

Parsons?
Jenkins?
Farley? (the medical concerns me, especially with our injury history)
JOK? Where does he play? Insurance for Derwin? Can he hold up at ILB in Staley's defense?
Moehrig?
Devonta Smith at 13? Awesome player, but a luxury pick with glaring needs at OT and CB.

Thanks for reading.

-Boltensen

Welcome aboard.

And I don't even want to think about doomsday options.

[Boltnut]

Thanks, Fleeter. Making a mini-comeback. More mellow this time around. The football IQ on this board is off the charts; I can't hang with these guys.

There's only one way to truly determine whether you are worthy... answer carefully...

Would you rather be a dog or a cat...?


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

By the way... no smirking allowed.